Deprived of oxygen at birth - next urgent steps advice needed

[Josef23]

Hi

My sister in law and brother have had a child born this morning - second child daughter.

First child son was a traumatic birth emergency c section we did all push for them to have this time a planned c section but consultants convinced them to have normal birth which again resulted in emergency c section.

We are all distraught and I just want to help to help ensure that my brother is pushing the team to do the right things now to minimise any potential brain damage.

I have picked up a few things e.g. Apgar whilst reading other posts and hers was 7 then 9 then 10 after 10 minutes

She did suffer some oxygen loss and they will not give her cooling therapy as they have to cut through the belly button to do that and she is not bad enough to have that done.

Mother is distraught but getting better and can't really talk or do anything as she is fatigued and shattered.

Does Anyone know if that's a bare faced lie and if she can have cooling therapy?

I'm in tears thinking about the little one and just want to help her young innocent children babies shouldn't suffer.

Thanks

Josef

[peaceloveandbiscuits]

Apgar scores are fine - similar to my DS1's.
On one hand you talk about your lawyer brother prosecuting the NHS and on the other you call the NHS "underfunded". Is the irony lost on you?
Your niece will be absolutely fine - be kind to your SIL because she's been through the mill, and it's horrible watching your newborn on the resuscitaire

[RockyBird]

Good idea to step away from Google.

I hope all is fine.

[Lj8893]

justkeeponsmiling has said exactly what I was just about to. Step away from the daily mail or whatever other rag you appear to be getting your "facts" about the NHS from. Myself, and many others on this thread and on mumsnet all work for the NHS and definitely do not fall under the description you have just given.

Is the baby in NICU/SCBU?

[Josef23]

Thanks all for the messages above hugely reassuring luckily I am at home and not with them in hospital otherwise the hospital may have thrown me out by now. I just don't trust the NHS doctors etc due to the daily posts about damage birth problems lack of care many of which are on this site but in this instance lol the feedback above has been positive which is why I posted on here in the first instance. I'll try and write an update later thanks again all for taking the time to reply it is hugely appreciated xx

[AndTakeYourHorseWithYou]

Seriously, get off the internet. And leave them alone.

[Lj8893]

You do realise most private doctors are exactly the same doctors that work in the NHS?

[HopeYourCakeIsShit]

Yes, thank God you are not at the hospital!
Calm down and enjoy a cuddle with your niece when you visit.

[peaceloveandbiscuits]

Lol private doctors and NHS doctors all went to the same schools. They just work for different people.

[1stDinkyDecker]

DD 2 was a 7 then a 9. She is now a 24 year old. Hope that helps

[Tiredstressed]

Please just stop. I can't imagine that you are helping anyone.

[Ceto]

Remember that people will only post the dramatic stories online. The thousands of perfectly normal drama-free births that happen don't get posted.

[ImperialBlether]

I think you are massively increasing the chances of your sister in law having PND. If you're talking like this - as though a disaster has occurred and it's all the hospital's fault - can't you see she's going to be incredibly upset, looking for flaws in her lovely baby and resentful at the doctor's? Why would you want to do that to anyone?

[Leilaniii]

An apgar of 7 at 1 minute is within the realms of "normal". And an apgar of 10 at 10 minutes is perfect!

This. Stop being such a drama queen. You are going to ruin their first days with their new baby.

[WankYouForTheMusic]

Calm down. You've had a nasty shock. None of this is helping anyone. Have you eaten or drunk anything today?

[lougle]

The baby sounds fine. You sound like you could do with a coffee

[deaddeadgood]

the nhs treat civilians like simpletons

No they do not. They will be doing everything to ensure your brother's baby is ok. And she would. It have been forced into a natural birth. She would have chosen to having been given all the information necessary to make an informed decision.

[C8H10N4O2]

due to the daily posts about damage birth problems lack of care many of which are on this site

Rather like MiL threads - bad news is news, normality is not. Most births result in healthy babies and mothers but those which don't naturally get far more attention. Look at actual demographic statistics if you must - the horror stories are a very tiny percentage of the overall picture but that is what you find if you search for stories online.

Those agpar scores are normal, cooling is invasive and not without risk to the baby. Google does not have the benefit of the full history of the mother and pregnancies or the individual baby nor are the results vetted by anyone qualified to review them.

[deaddeadgood]

*not

[Crumbs1]

The incidence of HIE is between 1 and 3 per thousand live births. There are not daily posts about the damage from poor care. Poor obstetric outcomes are thankfully quite rare.
Even rarer are the cases where a poor outcome is directly attributable to poor care. Stop reading the Daily Wail and/or Sun.

[MrsJayy]

My prem babies were treated perfectly well on the Nhs neonatal care was superb 1 baby had to have oxygen for a fewdays her level was low your anger and anxiety towards the nhs is based on what you read on the internet you sound a drama llamha and need to calm the hell down are you always so angry

[GreenGoblin0]

Op - you sound awful. I do hope you haven't voiced any of your hysterical concerns to your brother and his wife. if you care about them then do them a favour and pipe down.

[TinselTwins]

You seem under the impression that invasive intervention = helping and not doing invasive intervention = witholding care

Invasive interventions can kill too
The doctors and nurses figure out which is more likely to kill in the individual circumstances: the intervention or lack of it

They're not holding out for pushy parents who demand more interventions. Interventions are NOT GOOD, they can have lifelong consequences, you really DON'T want your niece having interventions unless they are absolutely necessary, and certainly not "just incase"

Cooling is not done prophilactically, nor should it be!

[MrsJayy]

The hospital did not push them into anything they the parents had a few conversations with their consultant and they decided to go for vaginal delivery sadly this did not work out i imagine an emergency section is very frightening and stressful but I think the parents of baby discussed all options.

[TinselTwins]

VBACs are also usually safer than elective abdominal surgery!
Based on facts and stats and science and research
Not the surgeons being tight and trying to put people off so that they can put their feet up and operate.

Neonatal nurses on this thread have told you that your niece sounds fine and healthy - if you continue creating a battle where there is none, you are the one depriving the new parents of bonding with and enjoying. their new baby

[TinselTwins]

I just don't trust the NHS doctors etc

You're being completely illogical, if you don't trust NHS doctors, why do you want your SIL and DN to have more dangerous procedures carried out by these untrustworthy doctors?

Surely you'ld want then operating / doing less to your loved ones, if they're so untrust worthy and negligent?