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Denied a homebirth when in labour?

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PrettyCandles · 18/10/2006 15:06

Has this happened to anybody else?

When I phoned up to say that I was in labour and was booked for a homebirth, they could not find a midwife to come to me and I had to go to the hospital. I know that in theory that can happen, but have never heard of it happening before. Even the midwife who booked me for homebirth a couple of weeks ealier said that it had never happened as far as she was aware.

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lulumama · 29/10/2006 09:43

gosh...it is a big problem...

and less than 10 % of vaginal births without some major intervention....!

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3andnomore · 28/10/2006 21:11

Just wondering PC, what are you going to do now, you gonna complain or not?

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PrettyCandles · 28/10/2006 17:45

Just thought you mmight be interested in what AIMS had to say:

Dear PrettyCandles

I?m sorry to hear that your Trust withdrew their home birth service at such a late stage. It must have been very stressful and I think you and your baby are very lucky to have been able to cope with it so well and still go on to have a healthy and positive birth. Many women placed in that situation would not have been so fortunate.

Sadly your experience is far from being an isolated case, it is a story we have heard many times.

Personally I am not a fan of ?should? or ?ought? since the word that pops into my head with both is ?Why?? Yes you could have insisted on your right to a home birth ? it was an option, but not necessarily one you would have wanted to take.

It does take a very strong and confident woman to calmly state that she has had a home birth booked for x weeks/months, their staffing issues are not her concern, that she has no intention of transferring into hospital, and that if anything does go wrong she will of course be suing the hospital for non-provision of appropriate care. (It is also a good idea to make sure you have the name of the person you are speaking to if you are going to have that conversation.) So far, as far as AIMS is aware, a midwife (max 6 midwives!) has always been found, but we feel very strongly that women should not be placed in the position of having to call the bluff of the maternity services in this way.

Should you complain is also not a straightforward question to answer. I think what you want to know is whether complaining would be of benefit to other women, since you don?t have a strong personal motive as the birth did go well.

Processing a complaint can be a very long, drawn out, emotionally draining process, but most of the women I know of who have battled with the complaints system have been through traumatic experiences that they needed to receive explanations and apologies for before they can reach some kind of closure.

Personally, yes I think complaints do tend to make those providing maternity services think twice about their routine handling of certain issues. I think also that all the individual complaints do add to the momentum of change that all the individual actions are trying to achieve in their own small ways.

Would lodging a complaint improve the maternity provision in your area? I don?t think it could make matters any worse. Midwifery staffing levels are in crisis across the country. Midwives are leaving the service in droves, mainly because they just cannot continue working under the current systems of highly technological managed care. Straightforward, positive vaginal births are becoming quite rare ? research has shown that less than 10% of births are without some major intervention. It is possible that the local Director of Midwifery Services would find it helpful to receive a letter complaining about how the midwifery shortage adversely affected a birth since it would give her ammunition to fire off at the powers that be.

You could contact the Head of Midwifery and ask for an appointment with her to discuss her feelings about whether she would like you to make a complaint and along what lines.

Another question of course is whether you feel you have grounds for complaint. Your birth went well. The main aim of any labour is to produce a healthy baby, which you did, and because it was also a positive experience you are happily non the worse for having transferred in. Many women would not have fared so well.

I deal mainly with caesarean mothers since that is my personal area of interest. Some book home births with their second babies because they simply cannot face battling the hospital system and losing a second time around. These women, had they been forced to transfer as you were, would not have coped and would almost certainly have ended up with a repeat caesarean. Unfortunately it is extremely difficult to explain why to those planning the maternity services since they simply cannot see why the place of birth is so important to some women ? the baby is fine so what else matters?

There is also the plain fact that the service you were expecting was withdrawn at the last minute with absolutely no notice, which in any other walk of life would be seen as totally unacceptable. The NMC recently issued a statement regarding home birth which you might find helpful (pdf attached).

There is some information on making a complaint at www.aims.org.uk/complaints.htm

You might also be interested in supporting the One Mother One Midwife campaign, details at www.onemotheronemidwife.org.uk

PrettyCandles, hope this helps, and I?m sorry to be so long winded.

luvnhugs

Gina

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lulumama · 21/10/2006 18:56

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for kdinas...let us know how you are doing....

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lulumama · 21/10/2006 18:56

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for kdinas...let us know how you are doing....

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PrettyCandles · 21/10/2006 17:17

Kdinas - please come and talk to us. You're feeling very pressured by the HCPs who should be supporting you, but you don't have to put up with it. You can change them, you are likelky to find that other HCPs have a different perspective and will supprt you compassionately. I was being bullied by a consultant who tried to persuade me that I would not be able to birth my baby unassisted, and that by choosing HB (or ewven waterbirth) I ws endangering my child's life. Fortunately I had good support from Mumsnet and from midwives, and I went on to prove the consultant completely wrong.

So, please, come back and talk to us - you are not alone on Mumsnet and don't have to bear this stress on your own.

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lulumama · 21/10/2006 17:13

it's great that it is not an issue for you and you were attended by lovely midwives .....

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PrettyCandles · 21/10/2006 17:10

As Pupuce has pointed out, and as I'm sure many of us have experienced oursaelves, there exist officious, jobsworthy, uncompassionate, lazy etc m/ws, but I am certain that that has not been the case for me.

Every m/w involved with me was hugely supportive of my choice of HB, one even going so far as to argue in my support with a very unhelpful consultant. Every m/w I have seen since ds2's birth has known that I am the mum who didn't get her HB, and has apologised for this.

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3andnomore · 20/10/2006 22:07

oh it's only £5 per year...I thought it was per month, lol...might see about that then

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lulumama · 20/10/2006 22:06

thanks yes...i did mean you!!! CAT is £5 a year...

i will email you if nothing comes through here from Kdinas....thanks!

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3andnomore · 20/10/2006 22:03

I don't have cat, sorry...or don't know how it works, but I think you have to pay for it, don't ya!
Feel free to E-mail me and then I can E-mail you back if I do hear from her...I assume you meant me...if not just ignore me, lol!

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lulumama · 20/10/2006 21:58

bodies was ace........if a bit too realistic...!

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lulumama · 20/10/2006 21:58

bodies was ace........if a bit too realistic...!

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3andnomore · 20/10/2006 21:57

Bodies...that's the one And yes, I love it, but at the same time I find it really distressing, how weird am I!

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lulumama · 20/10/2006 21:51

thanks -- someone explained it to me last night...knew i had confused somthihng to do with that issue

can you CAT me if you hear from Kdinas... i won't put my email on here as it involves my surname which is too recognisable in my home town....ta!

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3andnomore · 20/10/2006 21:47

Domo, I assume you mean republic of Ireland, as In NI it's a similar system to NHS, just a different name, iykwim!

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3andnomore · 20/10/2006 21:44

kdinas....feel free to E-mail me if you would like to talk!
[email protected]

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3andnomore · 20/10/2006 21:43

lulumama, unassisted Birth is NOT illegal....aslong as noone at teh place of Birth pretends or "acts" as official m/w' as that would be breaking the law, iykwim!
Saying that, I don't think I personally would have the guts for this, but I kow of an online friend that has gone down this route after the Emergency C-section of her first....I think, if I ever would have another Baby, I would try to raise the money for an Independent m/w , I know you can pay them monthly or inrates anyway, most definately feel the money would be very worth spend, as no matter how strong you are as a person, and both me and dh are strong and well informed people...my last experience showed me that it doesn't matter when you are in that situation and well either fully labouring or just the helpless partner...once the m/w's "hit the panic buttone" necessary or not, you are unable to think clearly!

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happybiggirl · 20/10/2006 21:40

Message withdrawn

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3andnomore · 20/10/2006 21:38

Mannoo, very well said, and I completely agree!
Also, anyone seen this terrible drama about that Gyno Unit in London, I think....it started in Autums 04 first off, and I was sickly addicted to the programme, even though it completley left me upset, to say the least....but I sort of had to watch it....must say, watch the subsequent series last year I think, and gosh, it was so muhc easier to watch as I had worked through most of my issues, still left me feeling quite sick though...and yes it was a drama, but somehow I know it wasn't all that overexaggerated! Cannot remember the name of the programme...sorry!

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3andnomore · 20/10/2006 21:34

PC
"Please also bear in mind, when you say that I (or you/one) should have held out and insisted on my rights, that the m/w who would eventually have attended would have been off duty. I may have entitlements, but so do they. They are incredibly dedicated women, and should not be taken advantage of, no matter how shoddy the state of the NHS. "
I know this is what they told you, but, as my friend found out, because she did put her foot down, indeed, 2 lovely m/w's on duty from a different area, not far or anything, just different part of her town, attendet...and indeed, this is the case in most areas....that all the Community m/w's are ultimately able to cover the whole of the area, and therefore it is very often if ever necessary to get m/w's on duty, it's just that sending a woman to Hossie and telling her there is no other choice is the easier option....why I do not know, I don't really get....I know you are happy with things, but just thoguht I calrify this, as the tactics used for you were very common bullying tactics to get women to birht in Hospital!

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lulumama · 20/10/2006 18:50

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for kdinas....hope you have come back to this thread.....there is lots of support

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Toady · 20/10/2006 14:50

yes thankyou just replied.

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lulumama · 20/10/2006 14:27

toady - emailed you this morning...hope you got it!

and what a great letter!

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Toady · 20/10/2006 14:20

kdinas, hope you are ok, I had a VBAC2 last year and all was fine, please join the vbac/hbac group, i could not have done it without them, you really need some support here. If you would like to email me direct let me know.

There is absolutely no reason why you can not have this baby at home how YOU want to.

I have pasted a copy of a draft letter below which you could send to the Head of Midwifery.

It will obviously have to be doctored to suit your needs but it is a start and will cut out any crap between now and your lovely homebirth

start off with a
INTRODUCTORY PARAGRAPH

It is my informed decision to have a homebirth. This is not up for discussion, if you are here to talk me out of it then I am sorry to have wasted your time.

The last ? months of my pregnancy have been stressful due to the lack of support I have received from almost every person caring for me that I have come into contact with and I really just want to enjoy the last few weeks knowing I have been heard and I have a midwife or midwives who are going to support me.

My birth plan is very clear and I have fully thought through every point. I expect someone who is experienced in home birth, water birth,VBAC and if necessary breech delivery. Please circulate this plan to your colleaugues and if anyone wishes to opt out of my care that is fine. I do not wish to be attended by a midwife who is not confident in her abilities and supportive of my choices.I will call for another midwife if the one attending me is harrassing me to transfer to hospital because of there own lack of confidence rather than a real medical emergency.

If I call for a midwife and I am told there are none available and I will have to go into hospital I will wait at home until one becomes available.If no one comes I will deliver at home regardless unless a real medical emergency arises.If an ambulance is sent to me that I did not request it will be sent away.

My words may sound harsh to you but I feel I have been left with no choice other than to take this stance.I have been fobbed off,given misleading information,lied to and not been informed of my rights.I am saddened that homebirth is not being more actively encouraged especially considering the recent NMC circular and the government stating they wish to increase figures to 10% over the next few years.If my experience and those of other women I have spoken to is anything to go by this is just a pipe dream.

What I hope to gain from this letter is your assurance that I will from this point on be attended only by midwives who support my choices and are competant and confident in there own abilities.If I continue to receive negativity and mis information I will consider it as harrassment and will cease to arrange any appointments or call for assisstance when I am in labour.

If you feel that you cannot provide me with a midwife with the skills I require then could I please have that in writing so that I can approach the Trust and request that they find me and pay for an Independant midwife

I do not have much time so I would appreciate prompt action

Thankyou very much for your time

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