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ashcat · 11/11/2023 14:52

I'm in the UK and looking for a portable carseat for travelling, putting into taxis, coaches etc, ideally for my partner to take on her own. Our son is 20 mths old.
There's the Maxi Cosi Nomad, but it has a pretty negative review here saying it wobbles around a lot.
Or there's this Isofix one, RyRy Scallop r
which at 9 Kg seems very heavy for a portable carseat! I think it would be tough for my partner to carry it, along with luggage and little one. And if it's Isofix, presumably it wouldn't work in say a coach, which is something we'd like to use it for.
So it seems you either have to get a very heavy Isofix one, or a seatbelt only version which wobbles around a lot and isn't that safe!
I've seen lots of others in US websites which don't seem available in the UK. Has anyone found anything else which works well?

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BertieBotts · 12/11/2023 15:39

No, this is basically the issue with all of them.

You have three different metrics and you end up having to pick two:

Affordable
Good safety
Portable

So you can basically get one which is affordable and safe, but is bulky and/or heavy and a pain to carry around. Joie Tilt, Steadi, Stages, Graco Extend, Enhance all fall into this category, and there are R129 versions of some of these models, which is an advantage as this is a newer safety standard.

Or you can get one good safety features that are genuinely portable, but a lot of them are heavy, like the RyRy Scallop, or TinySeats, and the main issue with these is they cost around £300-400. There is also Nachfolger Hy5 in this category which is an inflatable rear facing seat, very good safety, very light and portable, but it's expensive.

Or you can get some which are portable and are on the lower end price wise but tend to be non-ideal in safety. For example, Maxi Cosi Nomad - the problem that reviewer is having is called forward anchorage and unfortunately it looks like it would get that in most cars. Urban Kanga is a very similar model and is the same. It also got a very poor Which? crash test. Or you have Chicco Fold and Go, which is suitable from 100cm tall, but most 20 month olds won't be anywhere close to this yet and really, this type of car seat is designed for much older children (around 4 years+) as it uses the seatbelt rather than a safety harness, so doesn't offer good protection for younger children.

There is supposed to be a newer version of TinySeats coming out next year which will be up to 23kg weight limit, which sounds great, but probably a similar weight to the RyRy. And sounds like it will be expensive too.

Unless your 20mo is very tall, you may be best off looking for the largest infant carrier which will fit onto your buggy, Cybex ones are generally very tall in the shell and are compatible with a lot, and then continue to use this for as long as possible. They can safely use an infant carrier if their head is still fully contained within the seat shell (and they are under any weight/height limits). But this is unlikely to fit for long unless your child is very small for their age. Maybe until around 2 / 2.5 at a push.

Another solution is to look at the very basic very cheap, generic type seats that they sell in supermarkets, argos etc around the £40 mark. Because these are so cheaply produced they tend to be extremely light, and you can usually get them to cover the 9-18kg weight class which most 20mo would be in. However, be under no illusions of quality: the issue with these is that they have totally minimal safety features. They are basically no more than a flimsy plastic shell with none of the features of more premium brands. They've passed the legal crash test in order to be sold but some models have been known to fail when crash tested at 40mph instead (the Which? testing criteria). The instructions are frequently confusing meaning that they are often fitted incorrectly, which can be disastrous. They usually don't have a very long rear facing stage (if they have one at all) or any side impact protection. They can be better than nothing, if you're very familiar and confident with how to use them, but it's still a very basic level of protection, and they aren't portable in terms of being able to stow under a buggy, they would have to somehow be carried.

Coaches often don't have enough space and/or the right kind of seatbelt to fit a car seat safely anyway, so the purpose of a car seat on a coach is a sort of "better than nothing gamble". If you are intending to fit a car seat on a coach it's a good idea to check that the coach has 3 point seatbelts and ideally see if it's possible to book the very front seats to allow space.

If you're in London or another city that has black cab style taxis, one option is to put the toddler in their pushchair and secure it in the wheelchair space, facing backwards.

Or it may be possible to locate a local taxi firm who will provide child restraints, and exclusively use this firm and request a seat for the specific journey. However this has the disadvantage that you don't know how old the car seat is or how it has been cared for, and it might well be one of the very cheap/flimsy/generic models.

I think the only thing that the US has that the UK doesn't have is Ride Safer Travel Vest which TBH I am quite dubious about as a solution. You could try to import one and use it anyway, but be aware it is not considered a legal child restraint under UK law. For vehicles like taxis and coaches where you aren't required to use one anyway, this would not legally matter, so it would be up to your own discretion.

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user14728317878987 · 12/11/2023 15:47

@BertieBotts I was also interested in this question as mine is just outgrowing their infant carrier. This is a really informative response, thank you.

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BertieBotts · 12/11/2023 15:56

@user14728317878987 Do you have your own car? If you're looking for a main car seat to upgrade to, or you generally only get lifts directly from your own house, then you generally don't want one of the portable ones, all of them will have a compromise in safety somewhere.

If you are only very rarely in a car and need something that can be carried around before/after use then the portable options are something to look at but just be aware of the limitations.

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user14728317878987 · 12/11/2023 16:14

@BertieBotts We have one family car and our main car seat is extended rear facing from birth to 18kg so we are sorted in that respect. We do like to travel and the infant carrier has come in handy for trips abroad and also for when DD and I go out with family/friends occasionally (I don't drive).

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ashcat · 13/11/2023 11:53

@BertieBotts Wow, thank you for such a comprehensive and helpful answer!

I’m looking into the Nachfolger which, as you say, looks like it might be a solution to portability + safety conundrum. 
It looks great but I can’t see any reviews on Youtube, nor many videos on how it operates, or anyone selling it in the UK. Also there are two versions, OneTT CITY and WORLD - I’m not clear on the difference - one seems to need a Top Tether and the other doesn’t - I’m not clear what that is. Also Which? haven’t reviewed it, so I’m not sure of its safety credentials. 

Do you have experience of this product in terms of safety, reliability, ease of use?

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Getoverit1965 · 13/11/2023 13:40

A top tether is a strap that attaches to an anchor point on the back of your back seat. I don't know if black cabs would have the anchor points. They look like this.

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InTheRainOnATrain · 13/11/2023 13:46

I’m not sure if you could even get hold of it in the UK but we have the WayB Pico (from the US) as our travel car seat and love it. It’s also airline approved, weighs only 8lbs and can slot on top of a suitcase handle. The only thing is you have to install it with the isofix/latch including the top tether or use a seatbelt locking clip, because of the differences with American seatbelts.

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ashcat · 14/11/2023 10:56

Thanks @Getoverit1965, that's useful to understand better.

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ashcat · 14/11/2023 10:57

Thanks @InTheRainOnATrain - yes I had looked for that one before but couldn't find it for sale in the UK

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BertieBotts · 17/11/2023 07:38

I've seen/touched the nachfolger in person as I saw it on sale in a shop, I live in Germany, it is surprisingly solid - think tyre, not beach toy.

The different versions are a bit confusing, I believe that the Hy5 TT is designed for use in European/North American cities with modern cars where you're highly likely to have the use of a top tether anchor. So it comes with the top tether and you have to use it. Then the Hy5 World is designed for use worldwide including in countries that have less road infrastructure and older vehicles and might not have top tether. This one IIRC has the top tether attachment, which must be used in the back of a car but it is also allowed to be used without when it's installed in the front seat with airbag disabled and the seat braced against the dashboard.

Bracing is an older practice with car seats and not that well known any more.

I believe the original company went bust in 2018 and were bought by Klippan and rereleased the models.

Thie Which? results come from an organisation in Germany called ADAC, they have tested the Nachfolger twice. First in 2018, though the result was bad because they found chemicals suspected of being carcinogens in the cover, and the top tether touched the head of the dummy so they marked it down on the crash test.

They tested the new version the next year, it did much better. Google Chrome will translate the page.

https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/ausstattung-technik-zubehoer/kindersitze/kindersitztest/marken/nachfolger/nachfolger-hy51-tt-id-612/

Nachfolger Hy5.1 TT Kindersitz Test | ADAC

Nachfolger Hy5.1 TT im ADAC Test. So schlägt sich der Kindersitz hinsichtlich Sicherheit, Bedienung, Ergonomie und Schadstoffen sowie Verarbeitung.

https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/ausstattung-technik-zubehoer/kindersitze/kindersitztest/marken/nachfolger/nachfolger-hy51-tt-id-612

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ashcat · 17/11/2023 12:20

@BertieBotts Thanks again - very useful.
Interesting what you're saying about the Hy5 World still requiring a top tether in the rear seat of the car - that's not clear on the website, which seems to say that you can use it with or without a top tether, regardless of where the seat is.

I could only find one UK shop which has been selling the Hy5, and they said they had stopped due to some issues they had had with it. You can buy it online but are then subject to unpredictable customs charges!

I think we're back to looking at the RyRy, although the requirement for Isofix means it wouldn't work e.g. on a coach, which my partner isn't happy about. It seems that you have to just be OK with having your young child on your lap on a coach - and that anyone who doesn't like that is seen as being 'over anxious'!

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BertieBotts · 17/11/2023 12:25

Currently no customs charges seem to be being applied to items coming into the UK. It's a weird oddity. You get them the other way around but the UK borders haven't seemed to get their act together on this yet, so generally the price you see is what you pay.

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BertieBotts · 17/11/2023 12:26

I think I was wrong about the top tether actually, I must have been thinking of a previous version. You're right, the manual says it can be used without top tether in any vehicle.

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Onionsmadeofglass · 19/12/2023 14:41

Can I get an opinion on the Chicco Fold n Go @BertieBotts ?
This would be for a 4year old who comfortably fits in the recommended height and weight range (105cm now and 18kg).
We’re thinking it might be good for us because we quite often take a combo of public transportation and then car - think taking a train then getting picked up at the station. But I’m torn between just getting (and carting round) a normal similar priced fairly basic high back booster like a britax discovery plus 2 or kidfix M and the fold n go. Is there a big difference in safety ratings?

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BertieBotts · 19/12/2023 22:07

The Fold n Go is a good travel option for that age.

The safety rating is 2.5 on the Chicco and 2.1 on the Britax.

Possible score ranges between 0.5 (best possible) and 5.5 (worst possible)

If you look at tests since 2015, the best scoring high backed booster got a safety score of 1.7 whereas the worst scoring got a score of 3.5. (It's hard to compare older results, because they had a different test setup.)

It is a bit of a pain to carry around a high backed booster. DS1 had the Britax Adventure which is an older version of the Discovery +2 and it was one of the lightest ones but it is still bulky and annoying. You might want to consider getting something like the Discovery for your main seat and then a Trunki boostapak type thing for the times where you get picked up. What have you done up to now? The high backed boosters are much less annoying to carry around than the toddler harness type seats at least.

I don't know if that is helpful at all.

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Onionsmadeofglass · 19/12/2023 22:23

Thank you. That’s very helpful.
We’re currently using a Britax Maxway. Great seat but he’s getting close to being too tall for it so I think we’ll have to change in the next 6 months ish.
It’s heavy and bulky to cart around but possible. It helps that there’s no isofix base to deal with, just the seat. We bought a bag with backpack type straps. Swapping to something more the size and weight of a folded travel troller would be nice.

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Onionsmadeofglass · 19/12/2023 22:25

And sometimes if friends or family have a seat we use that. But it’s hit or miss. Generally friends with similar age children have good seats. Sometimes people with older kids bring out horrific 20year old things that should have been binned long ago. After one or two shocks like that, we started bring our own seat as much as possible.

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BertieBotts · 20/12/2023 07:49

Yes I know what you mean! The Maxway can be used until the child's eyes are level with the top of the shell, in case you were thinking it was head. But I totally understand the sense of wanting something lighter. It sounds like a standard high back booster would probably fit into your backpack bag even without the folding feature of the Chicco.

I don't know if you can get hold of this seat? It's sold here in Germany but I don't know about the UK. More expensive, but looks more substantial than the Chicco.

https://www.recaro-kids.uk/child-seats/child-seats/monza-compact-fx.html

Monza CFX - RECARO Kids

https://www.recaro-kids.uk/child-seats/child-seats/monza-compact-fx.html

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BertieBotts · 20/12/2023 07:53

Oh and Discovery Pro is preferable over Kidfix. It's newer, lighter, and better safety rating. You could also look at the Kidfix i-size range or Maxi Cosi's new seats which are in between the Discovery and Kidfix price-wise but tend to be lightweight. I don't think they fold up. Sometimes you'll find that HBB type seats come in two parts for transportation, they are not strictly designed to be taken apart and put back together many times, it tends to take a bit of force to get them to come apart/go together. If it comes like that, then you're OK to take it apart if you want to but just bear in mind the force and the fact it's not really supposed to be done!

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Onionsmadeofglass · 20/12/2023 08:22

Thanks very much for the Monza CFX recommendation. We’re actually based in another European country and I can see we can get hold of that one fairly easily.
My kid’s head is now just starting to sit higher than the top of the shell of the maxway. We’ve got a few centimeters yet so it’s not urgent. But it would be nice to get one that’s easier to transport. It’s ok with the backpack when there are two adults traveling but it’s not really feasible for me on my own with our child plus a rolling suitcase.

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Onionsmadeofglass · 20/12/2023 08:23

And good to know how the different Britax seats compare to each other.

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