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Pain with breastfeeding. Mastitis last week - feels different now but still bad. Any advice?

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christiana · 06/12/2009 19:29

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nicnac73 · 09/12/2009 19:21

I just noticed mariasmummy just stared a thread specifically about abscesses so I moving to that thread now.

I hope you are feeling better and not too spooked. It is still really rare for mastitis to progress to an abscess so please don't worry.

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christiana · 09/12/2009 19:06

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nicnac73 · 09/12/2009 18:23

can you believe I forgot something from mega post but my Doctor told me that failure to heal and a track forming happens in 1/3 of cases.

I could never understand what would happen if you just fed from one side because I always understood that the prolactin is stimulated in the brain when you nurse or express and this would keep milk producing in both breasts ??? I just wanted it to dry up as quickly as possible as I couldn't understand how even a bit of milk hanging around and festering in a wound even if it is being changed everyday just can't be good. I know its sterile at the point it comes out but it won't stay sterile for long mixed with blood, bodily fluids and air???

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nicnac73 · 09/12/2009 18:14

I just got back from the hospital so forgive if a bit wobbly - just had sedation this time. Apparently I was talking all through the op but I don't remember anything - how bizarre. I had my 2nd op 2 weeks ago and since then it has healed really quickly but I am afraid yes it was 4 months ago and its still not over. Today they sewed the hole up and hopefully this will mean no more daily packing and might look better but hey, my glamour modelling days are over (wink) and its on the side so only my nearest and dearest will see it. Undoubtedly this time it has been easier because there wasn't the complication of the milk.

Breast feeding is so emotive and political that this situation is a real test of your own instincts. I was told by NCT counsellor that I could carry on breast feeding through this awful time. When you are in this situation you are so vulnerable (not to mention all those hormones raging) but now with the benefit of hindsight I can't believe the so called 'advice' I was given always conflicting. How did the NCT telephone counsellor know what bug had infected me!!!? She had hardly done a biopsy!! One doctor told me it could be an E.coli that had got in there!! The point is all science seems to go out of the window. Looking back I can't believe I was not advised to stop breast feeding and I was told it was 'my choice' so of course I felt really guilty. Every abscess is different. Some people who obviously receive prompt treatment and damage is limited manage to carry on however, it depends on your particular circumstance. I wish the medical profession could give better more objective and scientific advice but unfortunately they let us Mums carry the burden of all the guilt. My wound was massive and weeped blood, exudate and milk for weeks on end. I couldn't go out of the house as the dressing would leek after 4 hours. I actually took tablets to sway the milk away called cabergoline and that was very traumatic as well. They weren't that effective though and the pain of engorgement on top of the wound was excruciating for about 2-3 days but lets face it its all bloody painful. My milk even came back a a little bit after about 2 weeks

I felt I really had no option to bottle feed which I really don't regret and as time passes I feel more proud of myself for making the decision that everyone else was too scared to help me with. The pain of engorgement with an open wound was awful but it just didn't make logical, scientific sense to me that I would be able to heal from an open would if the milk ducts were exposed to the extent that they were. Also, my baby had dropped from the 65th centile for weight to the 9th by 5 weeks old. He was an emaciated little waif with stick arms and legs and sunken grey skin. I can't bare to look at the photos of him them. The breast feeding 'enthusiasts' were still telling me to carry on (and thus making me feel guilty)!! My maternal instinct and logic won out over all the guilt and I gave him a bottle and he was never happier and I can't imagine how much worse my own situation would have been if I had tried to battle on.

Also, I had been seperated from my baby in the hospital as I was put on a general ward for 24 hours and had spent loads of time before that going from one hospital to another so my milk supply had dwindled and obviously I struggled to get a letdown. I took my own breast pump to the hospital and the last time I used it was before the op to ease the engorgment and I got 10ml. The doctors on that ward were next to useless. I should have been on a maternity ward with my baby and then I might have had a chance, not a mixed ward with a loads of dirty old men listening in and useless junior doctors unfamiliar with how breast feeding works. We are mammals for goodness sake, don't they learn about this in medical school!

Every situation is different but I am proud of the decision I had to make and it is probably the most grown up and adult thing I have every had to do because nobody in the medical profession will do the kind thing and help you make the decision they just hide behind their political agenda or ignorance.

In terms of your healing Mariasmummy...I had the district nurses come for ages - about 12 weeks and they were great but unfortunately it didn't heal properly and left a 'track' inside which was revealed by the ultrasound I had at the private hospital. I found it too painful for them to pack it with gauze at the beginning so they were packing it with a gel, I suspect that that may have meant that it wasn't getting into all the crevices of a wound and collections were allowed to remain but I am only theorising. Towards the end of the 12 weeks it appeared to healing up and scarring over and then would start oozing again ( I now know this was because of the track.) it did actually heal over and I went back to work p/t and the day after it burst again and that's when I went to see the private consultant as I couldn't go back to the NHS hospital again it was so traumatic - far worse than my 28 hour labour followed by a emergency C-section.

If you are able to carry on breast feeding Mariasmummy through this then I take my hat off to you and you should probably get an award from Mumsnet or something.

I think lexilicious had a similar bad abscess is this right and did manage to carry on breast feeding ?

Sorry for long post - hope is useful

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christiana · 09/12/2009 17:58

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mariasmummy · 09/12/2009 16:03

hi guys,
yes i think im looking at a month at least of wound closing up... could be 2 I guess. They are notorious long things to heal. Apparently not that common! So don't worry. If you see GP now you might havce caught it. Mine came up in probably 2 weeks because i was told the lump would disappear with regular feedings- it didn't. I was working through the mastitis pain as i thought lump would go....I was in so much pain though after a few weeks i knew it was something bad the pain is unimaginable almost wose than childbirth because its constant and agony to the touch. If its just lumpy and not screaming pain you feel then probably not an abscess like me. If i'd seen GP when i felt lump first time would possibly have been just course of AB. So its mostly my fault for not getting to the GP soon enough but with a newborn all i was thinking about was feeding the baby i was less concerned with myself until now!

Lexillicious- how long did you take please...

Christianna, i hope you got on well and let me know your results dont worry.

i wish there was more info on abscess beacuse it does affect whether you can feed from the infected breast due to dressings and packing...

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Lexilicious · 09/12/2009 15:49

Christiana,

I had about two weeks of the hot red patch over a hard lump before abscess developed. Abscess was only the size of a pea but quite close to areola and about as deep as the diameter of the red patch.

Mariasmummy I didn't have a wound as big as yours but it took quite a long time to close, relative to the size of it. (I mean in comparison to other cuts I've had, blisters, scraped knees etc)

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christiana · 09/12/2009 13:37

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mariasmummy · 09/12/2009 11:59

Dear Ninac73,

I am 2 weeks post surgery for breast abscess- too much milk, bad latching and not enough help. I believe my wound is 2.8cm deep which is better than 3cm after 2 weeks of packing. It leaks an awful lot! It makes expressing very hard and am scared to use pump.

I am terrified and unable to feed from it. EVeryone telling different things do feed, dont feed, do express, leave it... i was very tempted to give up bf but it works perfectly from left side. I top up with a bottle once a day.

Did it really take 4 months for you to heal? I am hoping one month.... but is that wishful thinking? THe leaking makes me think it will never heal. Should I leave it alone (i.e no expressing and let it dry up?)

Have not met anyone else who has had this and doctors and nurses all have different opinions and i struggle for reassurance.

Thanks if you can reply.
Best,
Natasha

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christiana · 09/12/2009 08:54

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MincePAELLA · 08/12/2009 19:22

Christian UGH
How are you doing?
I fed dangling and massaging at the same time. Bloody hurt but it helped clear the duct. Hope it works for you.

If it makes u feel better, when I last got it, I felt so rubbish I fed the children crackers and fruit for tea in front of the telly whilst I laid on the sofa. DH couldn't get home from work and I just couldn't do anything. I don't think I have mentally scarred them.

Take care

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Mincepiedermama · 08/12/2009 18:27

Don't worry about telly watching. You have to pull out all the stops just to get through this.

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Mincepiedermama · 08/12/2009 18:21

Yes I can understand why she'd suggest hanging over.
How about feeding in warm baths?

It's really important for you to get some sleep to help your immune system fight off anything.

You are being very brave. Good on you.

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christiana · 08/12/2009 18:17

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Mincepiedermama · 08/12/2009 16:47

How's it going Chrisitiana? I hope you've got a new game plan and some good advice.

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christiana · 08/12/2009 13:36

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Mincepiedermama · 08/12/2009 11:52

La Leche League and their helpline number is 0845 120 2918.

I really feel for you. Good luck.

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Mincepiedermama · 08/12/2009 11:50

BF Network Supporterline on 0300 100 0210

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Mincepiedermama · 08/12/2009 11:47

Christiana I'm so sorry to hear you're still suffering.
You need to talk to a bf counsellor. I will just dig out some numbers for you of the LLL and the BF network.

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christiana · 08/12/2009 10:01

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christiana · 07/12/2009 20:43

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nicnac73 · 07/12/2009 20:14

No. That's very novel. Its just plain old gauze. I will ask about seaweed option tomorrow. Interesting.

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christiana · 07/12/2009 20:04

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nicnac73 · 07/12/2009 19:43

Your GP sounds reassuringly clued up. Enjoy the r & r.

I am going back to hospital on Wednesday and they are going to sew my hole up as they say it is (finally) healing well which means no more daily packing. Hooray

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christiana · 07/12/2009 19:11

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