Tomm tipp prep machine UNSAFE says midwife

[HeavenK76]

Had my gorgeous little baby girl on Monday and came home on Tuesday from hospital.
Midwife came next day and while talking about bottle feeding, as I'm ff my lo, she says we midwives DON'T recommend the perfect prep as it's not the way the feeds should be made up, the feeds are not sterile.
Also when my HV came with 38 weeks pregnancy she said they don't want people to use this machine.
What's the fuss about this. Why are they saying all this.
IMO if there was anything wrong with it or against the guidelines, Tom Tip would not be allowed to bring this out in the market first place.

Anyway, have others been told things like this before and what is your opinion on this.

[frolicsandfiddledeedees]

Coachbuiltprmamama I don't know if you meant to come across so rudely or not?

I'm certainly not a sterile house kind of person. I think a certain level of normal house and Garden bacteria are good for building a strong immune system. We don't use bleach or anti back at gone for that very reason, neither are we strict about food on the floor etc.

But there are a couple of extremely nasty strains of bacteria that can contaminate formulas specifically and they are likely to be fatal if your baby picked them up. It's a small risk but one with enormous consequences. So re powder does need to be sterilised before being given to a baby and the best way to do that is by using water over 70 degrees.

[ComeHeather]

When I had my first and second DC in 1997 and 2001, advice was to make up 24 hrs worth of feeds in one go and keep in fridge. Babies were not noticeably more ill than now.

I would boil a kettle and pour it into bottles, allow to cool for 10 mins and then add the powder. Shake and store in fridge.

[frolicsandfiddledeedees]

Home not gone, idiot phone. Sorry for other typos.

[Coachbuiltprammama]

exactly *comeheather once its made with boiling water cooled and stored with the cap on that's that unless you live in pure filth its unlikely to become contaminated

[frolicsandfiddledeedees]

People can do what they want. Whatever.

But I bet there'd be a hell of a fuss if a baby died and the parents had never been made aware big the risk, no matter how small, or given advice . on how best to eliminate that risk.

[PedlarsSpanner]

Coachbuilt I am sorry to disagree but infant formula powder is most certainly NOT sterile hence the need to use v hot water to mitigate against.

[Shallishanti]

not only is formula most definitely not sterile as so many have said

BUT on no account should made up formula be 'kept warm for several hours' as someone has said

NO NO

recipe for disaster

[thatstoast]

I have one, I'm not particularly concerned. I think there's a big gap between 'NHS doesn't recommend' and 'OMG it will kill your baby'. Also remember that technically the NHS doesn't recommend formula feeding at all, they recommend breast feeding. So you have to find what works for you and do what you're comfortable with.

[ShergarAndSpies]

coachbuiltprammama

I'm sorry but you're not correct.

Even the manufacturers of infant formula themselves admit that powdered formula is not sterile when it leaves the factory, as they cannot currently eliminate all the germs present.

And then once the sealed lid of the tin has been removed upon opening, all the usual bacteria and microorganisms present in a domestic setting can come into contact with the powder.

It is worth noting that these domestic germs are generally very harmless compared with the bacteria that the formula itself can include on manufacturing.

How you feed / fed your babies is of course entirely up to you and none of my business. But I think it is important when dealing with a sensitive issue such as this, that we ensure people have access to the evidenced scientific fact, not just anecdata.

[stargirl1701]

Babies have died from incorrectly prepared powdered formula. That's why the guidelines changed.

mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-28/bacteria-tied-to-baby-s-death-has-been-linked-to-formula-since-1980s.html#

boycottnestle.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/ruling-in-belgium.html?m=1

[badfurday]

Meh, I have one and have used it for my daughter ( now 16 weeks) and she is doing ok.
#states at snoozing daughter to confirm.

[badfurday]

#stares

[tiktok]

Wowser, coachbuilt ....where on earth do you think you are posting? :)

You're under-informed, out of date and really rude!

It's up to individual parents how far they follow guidance, but there is no way a manufacturered product of this sort can be produced as sterile, not because the conditions are dirty (they're not) but simply because the bacteria we live with all the time are present everywhere. They are present in formula powder. For a newborn, these bugs can be harmful.

That's all.

[MorphineDreams]

coachbuilt you do realise that whether something is boiled and in a container or not, bacteria can still grow?

Please research GCSE level Biology and infection control.

[racmun]

See my dd is on the anti reflux milk which doesn't mix in hot 70 degree water. The instructions say use 'hand hot' which is apparently 45-50 degrees.

She's been fine but it does make me worry about it not bring sterile and you can't buy it ready mixed.

[stargirl1701]

We tried that anti-reflux milk with DD too. I was too worried about the contamination issue to continue with it. We went back to Stage 1 milk and upped her medication instead.

I don't trust the formula companies at all after reading about their practices.

[fledermaus]

If a baby is not growing/thriving due to reflux, then the small risk from bacteria in the milk powder is less than the risk of the baby being ill or underweight from the reflux.

[stargirl1701]

We preferred the even lower risk of Stage 1 milk with adjusted dosage of medication.

[Pico2]

The flaw in the perfect prep machine seems to me to be the cooler water after the shot of hot water. The hot water should kill bacteria in the powder, but the cooler top up water hasn't been boiled, which doesn't fit with current guidelines of cooled boiled water, not tap water for under 6 months.

I'm undecided as to whether we should get a perfect prep machine. DD was fed entirely on ready made formula which was really expensive, but seemed easy and safe at the time.

[CultureSucksDownWords]

Forgive the potentially dim question, but couldn't you use cooled boiled water in the machine? Surely you could fill it up with that rather than just tap water?

[HeavenK76]

The problem with that would be that the water is boiled twice which again is not recommended.
Preboiled first then when making up feed when you get the hot shot.

[littone]

I think the issue with perfect prep machine having read amazon reviews is that the hot water is at a lower temp than 70 degrees and therefore may not be hot enough to kill any bacteria in the formula.

[tiktok]

Maybe someone who owns one of these could contact the tommee tippee people - there will be a consumer advice number or email on the pack. See what they say.

[Cannotbelieveit]

I had to mix feed DS1 and used the perfect prep. I checked the temp of the hot shot, it always remained around 72deg. I wouldn't hesitate to use it again if I had to though.

[PancakesAndMapleSyrup]

Not so long ago, i used to serilze bottles, fill with freshly boiled water and put the lid on. One cool i used to put powderin as and when i needed the bottle and warm it up so never carting made up milk around with me. I never realised that the powdered milk was what you had to kill off!