mild tongue tie/ upper lip tie but no nipple pain?

[Clarella]

this has been suggested and I'm asking for a referral but I've never really had any pain except a mildly cracked nipple. lo has all the associated issues though and we're looking into reflux at the mo. he certainly has a top lip tie and seems to have limited tongue motility. (according to an lll leader though only at mo through images I sent to her)

I have a top lip tie I realise and a gap in front teeth.

he's 14 weeks old and breast feeding can be distressing for both of us. he's exclusively breast fed.

[Clarella]

oh dear kissy - hopefully a phase! problem is I think thats why they don't sleep as well in the night and get hungry! totally understand about sorting it out while small though.

that's good toomany - I'm sure it's growth spurts that knock us sideways. both the demand fir extra calories plus the mouth and face grows and changes.

we had a funny screaming fit mid morning while trying to feed but as he's on antibiotics too which are messing up his system plus possibly teething I don't know if it was that. not branched out beyond bed since. I'm wondered if the suck seems more effective. he's certainly got a lot more movement from side to side.

[TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor]

Glad it went well clarella . We seemed to have turned a corner here, B is feeding much better and her poo is a normal colour. I think it was a mammoth growth spurt that she has now come through. I don't know what she weighs now but she looks physically bigger. I'm still waiting to hear from the hospital, I've got a dentist appointment next week anyway so I'm going to ask his advice.

[kissyfur]

I didn't manage to get her to feed for more than 5 minutes today, she kept looking at DD1 or the TV. Hopefully it's a phase she will grow out of!

It's hard to tell at the moment as their little mouths are so small but I do think it comes quite far down on her gum, just don't want it to affect her speech or anything, and id rather get it sorted while she is small. hopefully the dentist will be able to help. As for the HV, I don't hold out much hope either, but you never know

[Clarella]

I feel distraction added an extra issue to the latch problem. any little peer or jerk upset everything. another reason why lying in bed got better results!

I must admit I have a lip tie and a small gap and at 36 no fillings - mine has stretched. I was fed till 2 and half though which apparently would have helped flatten my pallette and spread my teeth thus better dental health. but if you feel it's that much ofan issue when feeding its not going to harm getting cut. hope hv can help ( I often find they can't!! )

[kissyfur]

Aww so glad to hear that
Not much change here, LO still off feeding in the day but I think that's due to her being nosey and getting distracted more than anything else. Am going to take her to the dentist about her lip and if they think it will cause problems go to Huddersfield and get it fixed. Have HV visiting tomorrow so will see if she has any advice too

[Clarella]

all done - not much of a do at all - jabs are worse! he was super brave and fed within a couple of mins :) I can't be sure but latch feels deeper and less messy already but will see how next few days go. so tired, been so wound up about it. thanks for your support. how are things with you? any progress?.and toomany? x

[kissyfur]

How did it go clarella? Hope everything went well and G is feeding better now

[Clarella]

thanks!

[minipie]

good luck! and xx back to you

[Clarella]

lol in text mode!

[Clarella]

thanks mini. extremely nervous about the appointment this afternoon. xx

[minipie]

yes, major improvement (though still not perfect eg I still find feeds in public aren't very effective) - took about 10 days to see clear improvement and about 2/3 weeks to get the full effect.

[kissyfur]

Hoping tomorrow goes well clarella, will be thinking of you and LO

Hugs Toomany, hope things are better today. Thinking in going to take LO to Huddersfield to get her lip tie done as well, it's a long journey for us but think it'll be worth it. Let us know how u get on x

[Clarella]

oh toomany - hugs. it's so frustrating. you are so delighted with a good feed and yer it shouldn't need to be like that! and then how devastating ti see them in pain.

I was delighted at the lll meeting I went to this morn I was actually able to feed up and slightly laid back through to milk drunk face - not achieved milk drunk in public for weeks and only then after an initial battle.

thanks mini - he'll beexactly 15 on Monday. did you find latch improved? how long did it take for you? I know each baby is different tho. I'm v worried! yes I wonder how much was over supply against his ability to drain the breast of normal engorgement. though I had been expressing a bit more than was needed.

[minipie]

clarella, belated answers to your questions: yes DD had a posterior TT. and yes I did go non dairy for ages but that made no visible difference (and no difference when i recently went back on dairy) whereas getting the TT snipped made a big difference.

DD was about 15 weeks when we got the TT snipped.

if you had oversupply, that may have masked the TT as your LO didn't have to have a great latch in order to get enough to be full. same happened with me I think.

[TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor]

I'm going to book a consultation with the dentist who sorts out lip/tongue ties on Monday. It's driving me mad, we had a good feed at 12, she had a really good latch, I then winded her and she vomited up what looked like the whole lot .

[Clarella]

not at all self indulgent. we mums will do all we can to mmake sure our babies are fed. though you are ff, you describe the same issues I've had except that 1. as I had no pain to speak of it wasn't picked up and 2. I've blamed my 'over supply issues' - which think I had a bit of but also he wasn't effectively removing enough milk. so I blamed my strong let down and too much foremilk causing all the wind and green poos.

just been to an lll meeting which was great. met some other mums who are struggling and looks like there's a tt issue.

[capedcrusader25]

Found it :) Although slightly different as O has been ff since the beginning. However it has been horrendous. Stressful, painful for her, constant feeding taking - taking hours to have a tiny amount, trapped wind, sick all the time. I feel like I've had a constant headache since she was born and I've found it so, so hard to cope sometimes. Spent many a day in tears. However no weight loss. In fact she's followed her line perfectly. But then I've spent the past 5 months (nearly) feeding her continuously so no surprise really!! Grr. Anyway been to the dentist. Thought after reading how seemingly useless the gp and hv can be the dentist may be a better option. He's going to support her and is with it and monitor her closely. The feeding I can manage, and I feel better knowing the dentist is ok side.

Wow that was long and self-indulgent :(

[Zemm]

Hi, I have a 17 week old just diagnosed with a tongue and lip tie. This thread sounds so familiar! She has all the normal feeding issues with poor latch/taking in +++ air, lots of wind, reflux, difficulty settling evening/night etc.
I have just booked an appointment with Dr Levinkind for Tuesday to assess her and laser both if necessary and was just wanting to know about peoples experience of his clinic, the procedure and how your baby was afterwards. I would really appreciate any information you can give me as I am feeling a little nervous as I cant find much direct information/reviews about him or the service.
Thank you very much.

[Clarella]

no I was right.... ibclc.... consultants.

[Clarella]

ibclc oops I was wrong. international board of certified lactation ..... something. highest qualification

floods of tears earlier when I knew ds wanted a feed and basically gave up when let down came in :(

[kissyfur]

Same here VQ, my DP is away at the mo and I'm finding it so tough having no-one to off load the days worries to (apart from the quiche of course). It's just awful when they scream and scream and you don't know how to help them.

[ValiumQueen]

kissy it is an extremely emotional thing this feeding lark. I have been positively anxious since I got home. Quite tearful too. We should not have to fight with doctors, basically telling them their job. I was questioning my sanity at one point, and have been seeking reassurance from DH that I am not imagining things. I think it is because these little creatures are so very precious we would happily die for them. When they are threatened in any way it affects us so very deeply.

[Pikz]

It's all training. Midwives now are expected like HV to be generalists in all and specialists in nothing.

Like you say the snip takes seconds but we had to be referred by a breastfeeding specialist to a surgeon!

So frustrating, I couldn't breastfeed as that process took 6 weeks and he couldn't latch.

VQ I am sorry but as you say, onwards and upwards,

[kissyfur]

Glad you had a successful day clarella, your guru sounds great! Think the ladies I saw today were NHS workers, I probably should have asked! What is lblc? No tongue tie but a lip tie that they won't do anything about. I will get it done privately if LO has problems with teeth because of it.

Sorry you didn't have any success with your GP or HV VQ

It's been one hell of a day, feeling v emotional about BFing and the lack of support. Clarella your comment about formula companies etc is so true! It makes me so and