Single jabs rather than MMR

[candr]

I have been looking into getting DS the single vaccines rather than the MMR jab but am struggling to find somewhere that does it especially as the mumps vaccine is not being made as single jab dose now. Does anyone have any advice on where I can go for this as HV has to advise me to have the MMR and Dr has not been much help.

[balia]

Can I just point out that mumps is not a friendly little disease unless you happen to be a pubescent boy? It can cause irreversible sensorineural deafness, aseptic meningitis and encephalitis. Before the MMR, mumps was the commonest cause of viral meningitis and one of the leading causes of hearing loss in younger children.

[awwwwmannnn]

well its been reported by the media that the man who died had measles and died from complications because of it - maybe they got it wrong and you got it right??

his post-mortem was inconclusive, but further tests have revealed his death was as a result of measles.

[PJM18]

Hi. I'm trying to decide whether to give my children the single measles jab or not. Does anyone know, out of the 1000 or so children in the Swansea outbreak, how many had serious complications? Where would I find this information? The welsh public health website has numbers diagnosed etc but nothing about how many children developed complications.

[BrainGoneAwol]

Oh and the BMJ experts who looked at thee raw data say it didn't show anything other than normal condition of the bowels.

[BrainGoneAwol]

Willow - try googling the article that was in the Times.

In summary, the claim is that he altered data concerning the study of 12 children concerning their conditions both before and after MMR (eg some already had reported developmental issues), he recruited participants from anti-vaccine groups, and he had a vested interest as he had already set up ventures that planned to make £m from testing this new syndrome he was 'discovering'.

Both sides argue about whether the result has ever been replicated.

[Willowisp]

awwwwmannnn no-one has died from measles in Wales, the man that died did have it, but as far as I'm aware, he didn't die from it.

"The resurgence of childhood diseases is frightening" Personally I think the amount of junk convenience food that kids eat is more frightening.

[Willowisp]

what was Andrew Wakefield actually discredited for ? Everyone seems to bandy this one about, but as I understand it, he was discredited for his taking samples in a non-clinical environment ?

IMO where he took the samples is irrelevant, the fact that he found traces of the MMR in the bowel, IS important.

So links please for either scenario.

I'd also like some info & links about the fact that babies immune systems are fully developed by 12m.

It might be worth noting that we aren't a developing country, kids don't tend to be malnourished & are generally capable of coping with illness.

[Oly4]

I am a health writer who sat through the GMC trial of Andrew Wakefield. He was completely discredited. I will be getting MMR for my DC, no hesitation. The resurgence of childhood diseases is frightening.

[awwwwmannnn]

I think to be honest we all want the same thing for our DC, to be vacinnated against horrible diseases, but in a safe and informed manner.

when my DD (now 2.4) had her MMR i researched for months about it, and in the end it was a case (for me) of its better for her to have it, than not!

i live in South Wales where there is currently a massive outbreak of Measles (one man, 25, has died from it) - i have to say i am massively relieved that i made the decision to have her vacinnated.

there are currently centres open that will give your child the booster early due to the outbreak, which confused me to no end - i assumed (rightly or wrongly) that she would be covered from the first MMR - - the first MMR only gives approximately 90% immunity, whilst the booster takes them up to 99%!!! i've decided not to take her to have the booster just yet as we are not in the immediate outbreak area, and have no plans to do so.

i can honestly say i am glad she had the MMR and suffered no reactions to it at all.

i think its just one of those things (like politics) where everyone has their opinion on it, and no one is right or wrong - we shouldn't put people down or twist others words because it may go against what we said or think....as the saying goes "opinions are like arseholes, everyone has them" lol

not meant to offend, just my opinion xx

[persephone22]

See vaccines.mercola.com/ for interesting info on vaccines. It's important to make informed decisions and the GPs arent always right. Also The Informed Parent website and JABS.

[DIYandEatCake]

cupcake, just to say you're not alone in your experience. I worried myself sick about dd after hers, for about 6 weeks as well she was withdrawn, would sit with a glazed expression, wouldn't interact with anyone, and would scream inconsolably for half an hour at a time. My mum and my friends also commented on how strange and unlike her usual self she was - she was previously an inquisitive, sociable and energetic little thing. I was so relieved when she slowly got back to being her old self, words can't describe. The gp said it was probably a virus and just coincidence on the timing, maybe it was, but I know that the glazed expression/withdrawal started at be drs straight after the jabs. I'm worrying already about what to do about the boosters and that's a year away yet.

I'm pro vaccine and none of my friends babies experienced anything similar, but I know if i have another dc I'll really agonise over what to do about the mmr.

[Pyrrah]

I vaccinate for everything going (grew up in developing world and saw children die from measles).

DD had the MMR and then later the same day we had the varicella done privately.

I used the First Contact clinic in Oxford Street, London and was very impressed.

Had a long talk with the nurse there about single vaccines v MMR and she told me that they had seen a lot of problems with single vaccines at various clinics.

• vaccines not transported or stored correctly
  
• vaccines bought by clinics from dubious sources
  
• clinics taking payment up front for the whole series and then going bust
  

They had a lot of parents come in to them to complete the course (and pay a second time) and many just opted for the straight MMR.

Any medicine and any vaccine will have a degree of risk - just as many foods that are safe for the majority of people can have life threatening consequences for a very small minority.

Personally I felt that the very small risk was a great deal less than the risk my daughter would face should she contract one of the illnesses. My brother got Hib infection inside the bone-marrow of his leg when he was 5 - had 3 operations and only kept his leg due to an amazing surgeon at GOSH (he tells people he was bitten by a shark). My parents would have been spared 8 months of hell had the Hib vaccine been available when he was a young child.

[LeBFG]

I can understand people wanting to spread out if they believe their child has had a very bad reaction. If you are deciding whether to do the MMR with your first born then the 'immune overload' argument is pretty weak. I've never read anything scientific to support this hypothesis.

Radical - I cried with DS's early vaccinations. And I hardly ever cry!

[radicalsubstitution]

Cupcake, did not mean to come across as aggressive - my apologies.

I can understand why some people would choose to go for single jabs. The main issue is that there simply isn't one for mumps. If you do go for single jabs then you just won't be protected. Some people take a very 'never mind' attitude towards this, because we have benefitted over recent years from very low incidence of mumps - because most children have MMR.

Vaccinations are horrible to inflict on children. I cried when both my children had their first. I still cry when DD has her annual flu jab - and that's after having had to see her in the ICU with a four inch incision down her chest after heart surgery.

DS was horribly ill after his first MMR, but had no side-effects whatsoever from his booster. He generally had mild temperatures after all his baby vaccinations, but virtually boiled alive after the MMR. DD had no side-effects whatsoever from any of her vaccines.

[Cupcakemummy85]

That isn't what I would want at all. In fact where I am there was an outbreak of mumps because people weren't vaccinating, which makes me really sad and a little worried. It would b irresponsible of me to tell people not to vaccinate and ridiculous seeing as I belive in the jabs. I was just saying personally for my next child I intend to talk to the doctor and try and space them out over perhaps weeks as all if the jabs were a bit much for my little one. I don't really like people dismissing the fact that my child had a reaction when she clearly did and it was truly upsetting as it would b for any parent and I think these forums are all about sharing ur experiences and giving friendly advise rather than butching at each other. I certainly didn't sign up for that. But I totally understand where u r coming from leBFG

[LeBFG]

Just cross posted cupcake. Vaccination topics frequently cause disputes. It isn't you. You did indeed refer only to separate jabs and MMR. I didn't help you either...my point was more general i.e. if you take the gut instinct argument far enough, you could easily find yourself justifying no vaccinations with perhaps no medical reason.

[LeBFG]

I can see you were trying to be helpful and supportive cupcake. I used your quote simply because it highlights a commonly repeated phrase. It's fine if your guts tell you to do CC or pick up baby etc. I've heard it used in medical contexts such as whether to vaccinate and in these contexts, this sort of advice probably isn't appropriate. But that's just my opinion.

[Cupcakemummy85]

Oh my god let me see if I can say this a bit more clearly because obviously most of u aren't getting it. I said: go with ur instinct,waning I u feel like ur child should have her jabs spaced out over weeks not all in one then go for it. I did not say don't hav them at all! Wow this is really frustrating lol. Why would I say don't get jabs! There are people into tab who aren't getting the jabs because they don't belive in it and I think that's totally wrong! So, can we all c what I'm saying and get over the gut instinct comment please.
Oh and when I say support other mums I mean it. Don't patronise an be rude on these forums and judge, just be sensitive and understand what each other is going through. There is a ridiculous about of hostility here!
I'm tempted to give up on mums net to be honest. Such a shame

[radicalsubstitution]

And I think it's important as mums to encourage and support each other.

I absolutely agree with this statement Cupcakemummy. The best way we can support each other and our children against some of the (luckily rare) horrendous results of childhood illnesses and secondary infections that come about as a result of them is to have our children vaccinated at the earliest possible opportunity.

DD was born with a serious heart condition and spent her first year being very poorly. I couldn't give her the MMR when scheduled (despite snotty letters from the GP), as she was booked for major surgery at 13 months. She was given the jabs straight after her post-operative follow up gave her the all clear.

If she had caught mumps during that time because someone else's mummy wanted to 'go with her gut instinct' I would have been none too impressed. People who don't have their children vaccinated are relying on the herd immunity provided by those that do.

[Cupcakemummy85]

I think tincletoes u r taking I'm saying and twisting it and taking it out of context! I am speaking from my experience and my friends. For u I dismiss everything I say is just rude and really insulting. I thought people on here would have more class than that

[Tincletoes]

And the honey point was just to try to say that maybe there's a reason toddlers start behaving like they do which has nothing to do with outside effect and everything to do with normal development.

[Brycie]

"nobody likes to make our DC cry with jabs"

Oh my goodness that's so patronising! Do you think that's what people are really worried about!!!

[Cupcakemummy85]

And I think it's important as mums to encourage and support each other not patronise and put other people down. It's a real shame!

[Tincletoes]

And Pagwatch I'm sorry if you think my post was at anyone who doesn't vaccinate. I know there are some people who have v good reason not to ( all the more reason for those of us not in that position to do so).

You clearly have medical basis for your decisions. What really gets me is glib statements like "most children I know have been affected" which is clearly just rubbish. Most children are absolutely fine. I hope people don't go with "gut instinct" and instead do proper research and maybe talk to people with proper knowledge than rely on heresay on the Internet.

[Cupcakemummy85]

That is ridiculous! I'm not saying dont vaccinate I'm saying its up to her if he does them all at one or space them out. It's not fair to say things like that and I think it's a little bit rude to be honest