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Antenatal tests

Info for those with a high risk screening result

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Hopeisneeded · 09/11/2023 17:56

I’m in the very unhappy position of having recently received a very high risk outcome from the NHS antenatal combined screening – 1:2 risk of Down’s Syndrome (Trisomy 21) and 1:40 for Edwards (Trisomy 18) and Patau (Trisomy 13) - and after a CVS was not possible I'm waiting for an amniocentesis after I was advised that it would be better to give a clear result. My local NHS Trust does not allow for invasive testing if a low risk result has been given by the NIPT and I was told that in some cases when you have been given a very high risk outcome from the combined screening you can be given a false negative. I'm not sure if that is the advice others have been given and I don't want that to contradict what you have been told. Given such a high risk outcome it makes sense to me to have the invasive test done, as ever these are personal decisions based on personal circumstances.

I have never posted on Mumsnet before, but as with many posters in this category I have found it a source of information since finding myself in this position (I think I've read almost every relevant thread) and I wanted to give something back and share what I had found out from reading up on the different elements of the screening to explain what they are and what might constitute a high or low result. I have used medical (NHS or other health systems) or scientific (published articles in journals) websites in sourcing this information. I want to preface my sharing by saying I am not from a medical background, nor am I particularly scientifically minded so trying to wrap my head around this has been a challenge but if collecting this information in one place helps one person who is in my situation then I would consider it worthwhile. This is such an overwhelming and traumatic time that going down a Google black hole can just add to the anxiety.

How the risk score is calculated

There are certain indicators that looked at together can predict whether an individual is at higher risk of having a baby with chromosomal and/or health problems. These fall into 3 categories:

Biochemical Markers – These are proteins in the blood: PAPP-A and β-hCG. You are given a blood test to determine their levels. In antenatal screening the measured concentration of the markers is converted into something known as a Multiple of Median (MoM) which is a measure of how far an individual test result deviates from the median (middle) value of a number of tests. The average adjusted value in a ‘normal’ pregnancy is 1.0 MoM at all gestations so you’ll see people saying that you’d want both of your scores to be near to 1.0 but I think this simplifies the situation a bit (see detail under the other headings).

Ultrasound Markers – Nuchal Translucency is the major indicator used in the NHS. There are also other soft markers that your NHS Trust might review at your dating ultrasound although it seems that review of these varies across the country. These soft markers are usually the presence or absence of a fetal nasal bone and ductus venosus waveform which is looking at the blood flow from the umbilical cord to the baby.

Clinical Factors -
These include the Maternal Age (age of mother at the time of expected date of delivery); Ethnicity; whether you have Insulin Dependent Diabetes; whether it is an IVF pregnancy; number of foetuses present; weight of mother; smoker status.
The clinical factors produce a priori risk which is multiplied by a likelihood ratio calculated from the ultrasound findings (specifically the NT measurement) and the biochemical markers (blood test results) to give a patient specific risk score of 1 in x number likelihood. A definition of a high risk result which would lead to an offer of further investigation in the NHS is a result greater than 1:150.

Nuchal Translucency (NT)

The sonographer takes a measurement of the collection of fluid under the skin behind the neck/at the back of the neck (also known as the nuchal fold) of the baby. This measurement should be taken between 11 and 14 weeks of pregnancy – before 11 weeks the baby is too small and after 14 weeks the excess fluid may be absorbed by your baby, and the visibility of this fluid reduces on the ultrasound so is no longer an accurate indicator.

A higher measurement can be a normal variation, or it can be an indicator of a chromosomal abnormality or a heart problem. An increased NT happens in approximately 1 in 150 pregnancies.

It is commonly suggested that a reading above 3.5mm is considered high. Looking into this a bit more I’ve discovered that the NT measurement increases with the gestational age of the baby, so a larger measurement if you are closer to 14 weeks than 12 is normal. Around 11 weeks the NT measurement would be expected to be less than 2mm, at 12 weeks less than 2.5mm, at 13 weeks less than 2.8mm. If your baby’s Crown to Rump Length (CRL) is between 45-84mm the NT measurement before 13w + 6 days would usually be less than 3.5mm.

If your NT measurement is below 1.3mm your risk for DS would be considered very low. If it’s above 3mm it would be considered a risk of DS and if was above 6mm it would be a high risk of DS and some other birth defects.

PAPP-A (Pregnancy Associated Plasma Protein-A)

To simplify this is a protein that is produced by the placenta that is needed for the implantation process and to maintain a healthy placenta. A low level of PAPP-A is an indicator of Down Syndrome, Edwards and Patau. It can suggest abnormal placental function which impacts on the growth and birth weight of your baby. Low PAPP-A may also mean increased likelihood of pre-term birth and pre-eclampsia in the third trimester. There is nothing you can take to increase your PAPP-A levels, but you are recommended to take aspirin to reduce certain risks (like that of preeclampsia) and with extra care and support if needed (like additional growth scans in the third trimester) most pregnancies with low PAPP-A levels will result in the birth of healthy babies.

From what I could establish anything under 0.4 MOM is considered low.

β-hCG (human Chorionic Gonadotropin)

This is a hormone normally found in blood and urine only during pregnancy. Elevated levels of hCG have been found to be an indicator of DS.

From what I could establish anything less than 0.5 MoM is considered low, anything over 0.5 MOM but under 2.0 MOM is considered normal, and anything over 2.0 MOM is considered high. Having low or high levels are associated with increased risk of adverse pregnancy outcomes.

Combinations of results

Increased maternal age increases the risk for all pregnancies.
In pregnancies with Down’s Syndrome: PAPP-A tends to be low, NT and hCG tend to be raised.
In pregnancies with Edwards and Patau: PAPP-A and hCG tend to be low; NT tends to be raised.

I'm currently holding on to any little bit of hope I can muster that the amnio will give us a positive outcome. My age (43) drives the risk factor up, my NT measurement was elevated although below 3.5mm (the sonographer struggled to take measurements as the baby was moving so much so unsure how accurate this reading was), my PAPP-A was low, my hCG was slightly above 1.0 MOM. All of these things coming together clearly has made me high risk although I was not when I had my son at 42. Wishing anyone in a similar position lots of good luck for a positive outcome, and for a happy and healthy pregnancy.

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Nina7 · 09/11/2023 18:23

@Hopeisneeded thank you so much for your post and your research. It helped me a lot as I myself got news of high risk (1:58) this morning.
I guess that mine must have been triggered particularly from high bHCG (6.09MoM) as the measurements seem to be almost normal (1.4mm).

If you want and can edit your post, I think this is also very useful, I was given the link in one of the forums here: https://fetalmedicine.org/research/assess/nt
It tells you how "normal" are the NT measurements, even though, as you said, these can vary for different ethnicities.

Again, thank you very much for this information and I hope that all goes well with your amniocentesis.

The Fetal Medicine Foundation

The Fetal Medicine Foundation is a Registered Charity that aims to improve the health of pregnant women and their babies through research and training in fetal medicine.

https://fetalmedicine.org/research/assess/nt

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MrsScotland · 10/11/2023 12:02

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airconditionedgypsy · 07/12/2023 15:44

This was really helpful, thank you @Hopeisneeded

I recently got a 'screen positive' for TS21 and now need to do the NIPT. I live in hope.

I don't know if you've now had your amniocentesis but sending you v best wishes from here.

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Griffin25 · 07/12/2023 21:48

Hey everyone, sending love and well wishes to you all ❤️
I went for NIPT blood test today as screening came back as a 1:66 chance of DS. I’m trying to stay positive and this post has helped to get my head round it all a bit, it seems so scary when the midwives start dumping so much information on to you - mine sent me a website for new parents with a DS child - and it just completely overwhelmed me.

I’m 25 (12 weeks 6 days) and my results were hCGb 1.20 (MoM), PAPP-A 0.32 (MoM), and NT was 2.7mm.

Hoping and praying that everyone receives the outcome they want ❤️ such an anxiety provoking time - like pregnancy isn’t worrying enough x

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Jess1336 · 19/01/2024 13:59

@Nina7 how are you getting on in your pregnancy? I have just had my screening results back with an overall risk of 1 in 942 for T21. However my HGCb MoM was 5.4 and I've read this can have serious adverse outcomes on pregnancy and it's opened a whole other tin of worms for me.

Thanks for the information within this post - it's really helped me to understand my screening results. I have spoken with the screening midwife and she is not worried at all just has arranged for another scan to check the placenta. All my other marks were in range NT 1.7 and PAPPA 1.68.

It really is the HCGb that is worrying me. Unfortunately I can't find out much info - midwife said some women just have higher hormones. She said scan looked good and she would go off that as opposed to blood test.

I am 32 and overweight which I know won't of helped. Sorry just an anxious mess at the moment.

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Nina7 · 20/01/2024 09:05

Hi @Jess1336 , all is going very well for me! Had the 20 week scan last week and all seems normal, I haven't had any complications. Placenta working well, baby normal size and quite active (I can feel the kicks several times a day for the last few weeks - 22 weeks now).

I was put on aspirin as a precaution (I'm 38 and they give it to everyone over 40), although they forgot to tell me until I was 17 weeks, so didn't start it as soon as I could have. But in any case they said it's really precautionary and not necessary, it was up to me to choose whether I take it or not, I thought I have nothing to lose...

So overall everything is fine! There is this paper that points out the correlation of high bHCG with adverse outcomes that made me panic as well, but when my husband (who is medical) read it in detail, he said that the actual correlation in their data is very weak, and the title and conclusions are a bit of an overstatement. I think it's the low pappA that is more concerning and yours seems to be fine!

So try not to worry, I know it's hard, but it might reassure you that I'm feeling super optimistic now. 🙂

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Jess1336 · 20/01/2024 11:22

@Nina7 thank you so much for your reply. You've really put my mind at ease, considering how worried I have been. Glad to know your pregnancy is going so well, that is great to hear. I've been taking aspirin for the past week or so as advised by the midwife so hopefully that will help.

Honestly thanks for replying as it has reassured me massively. Best of luck with the rest of your pregnancy. 😊

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MrsScotland · 14/02/2024 20:48

Bump for @sabrixx

This is a great post.

We had a < 0.5 HCG and a close to low Papp A. I was given risk results of 1 in 8 for T21 and 1 in 5 for T18 and 13. Sadly a NIPT came back as high risk for T18 and a postmortem confirmed. My NT was exceptionally high at 8mm so we knew in that instant it was unlikely to be ok.

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HannahPom5 · 27/02/2024 21:34

Hi everyone,

It's been really helpful reading all these posts.

I had the call today that I am high risk for downs syndrome (1 in 29).
My HCG is 3.8 (considered high)
PAP A is 0.3 (considered low)
NT is 1.6mm (I think this is considered normal)

I'm 36 and this is my first pregnancy. I'm planning on calling ARC tomorrow and then most likely booking the NIPT blood test.

Has anyone else had similar results? It was a whirlwind of information on the phone call.

Does the NIPT give results as 'high' or 'low' or is it more specific? From what I read it sounds more specific but the midwife just said high/low.

I hope everyone is doing OK.

X

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linz1987 · 27/02/2024 22:50

HannahPom5 · 27/02/2024 21:34

Hi everyone,

It's been really helpful reading all these posts.

I had the call today that I am high risk for downs syndrome (1 in 29).
My HCG is 3.8 (considered high)
PAP A is 0.3 (considered low)
NT is 1.6mm (I think this is considered normal)

I'm 36 and this is my first pregnancy. I'm planning on calling ARC tomorrow and then most likely booking the NIPT blood test.

Has anyone else had similar results? It was a whirlwind of information on the phone call.

Does the NIPT give results as 'high' or 'low' or is it more specific? From what I read it sounds more specific but the midwife just said high/low.

I hope everyone is doing OK.

X

I think the NIPT is just high/low. If you want to know for definite it would be a CVS or amino.

Fingers crossed for you x

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MrsScotland · 28/02/2024 10:14

Hi Hannah

Sorry to hear you are going through this worrying time. I had a very high NT as my 12 week scan, and came back 1 in 8 for DS and 1 in 5 for Edwards and Pataus. I had a NIPT. It came back high risk for Edwards. Basically they look at the baby's DNA in your blood. I am perhaps not wording this very well but if it's high risk, it's not wrong, because they've found something. If it's low risk, there is a chance it could be a false negative.

As I said, ours was high risk for T18, we could have had a CVS but it was clear baby was very poorly with fluid etc so we terminated. A post mortem confirmed T18 and related complications.

ARC are very good, they have a private forum only for those who have terminated that I have had a lot of support from.

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bloodynewusernameagain · 28/02/2024 10:22

@Hopeisneeded what a well researched and helpful post. Thanks for sharing it x

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HannahPom5 · 28/02/2024 13:49

@MrsScotland

Thanks so much for sharing your story and I'm so sorry to hear the outcome. I hope you and your partner/family are doing as ok as can be..

I did call ARC and they were a great help, really insightful and maybe feel more positive although maybe I should be trying to prepare myself a little more.

I have just had the NIPT so await the results.

@linz1987 thank you also xx

@Hopeisneeded it was really interesting to read your post and helped confirm a few things.

Hannah xx

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MrsScotland · 07/03/2024 21:02

Bump for @coffeeandcake91

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coffeeandcake91 · 08/03/2024 17:23

MrsScotland · 07/03/2024 21:02

Bump for @coffeeandcake91

Thank you! xx

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