Please help me figure out what's wrong with my dog?!

[dreamadream1]

Hi everyone

Posting for traffic.

My lovely, 5 year old sprocker spaniel has been whimpering/pacing/crying ALL day today.

He normally goes for a wee when I get up at 6-7, has some biscuits then lays on my bed or his bed and sleeps most of the day before a walk.

Today he has been the total opposite, I've filled his water bowl with fresh water, he's been walked off lead, I've topped his biscuits up, I've given him cuddles, all the fuss he usually has, he's weeing and been for a number 2, I've played with him on my lunch break with his rope.

I don't know what is wrong with him, I've felt his tummy in case he has tummy ache but he doesn't respond negatively to that, I've checked his paws, his mouth, his eyes there is nothing obvious at all.

He usually sleeps most the day and then has a walk and then he curls up for the night with us. I cannot figure out what is bothering him and it's driving me mad!

[PottyRuddy]

@Lovemusic33

Why are people commenting about breeding? Op came on here for advice about why her dog is unsettled not to be given advice on wether or not she should breed her dog.

OP I hope it’s just him missing the female dog and nothing else, always best to spread with a vet if your worried rather than asking on here.

People comment on it because it's a problem.

OP, whether she likes it or not, is a backyard breeder.

She can argue until the cows come home that they are from 'healthy lines' but everyone who knows the first thing about responsible breeding knows that you don't breed a dog unless both parents have had all of the relevant health checks (which is not the same as just popping to your vet for a booster and quick listen to their heart), there are also specific tests needed for various breeds.

Again, the fact OP has done it before and the puppies are 'fine' means absolutely diddly squat.

It's irresponsible. If you'd ever actually witnessed what can go wrong when breeding non health tested dogs, maybe you'd understand why.

Sounds like the type of 'breeder' where we'll see these puppies on a website like gumtree or pets 4homes in a few months.

No one is against responsible breeding. This is not it.

[Batfurger]

My neutered boy mated my bitch in her first season. Was quite traumatic all round. We hadn't realised she was in season (not quite sure how old she was as a semi-rescue) she's now been spayed.

If you know so much OP, I'm surprised you didn't realise how much the scent a bitch in season affects a dog.

[GreyGoose1980]

*breeders

[GreyGoose1980]

OP your dog seems like a well loved family pet. However you could have avoided most of the challenges on this thread by confirming whether you had breed specific health tests done on the dog and bitch before mating them. If you did not do these genetic / health tests then surely you can see why people are raising concerns, particularly those who sound like they are vets or experienced breeds.

[Cherrysoup]

@nothingcanhurtmewithmyeyesshut you put it much more succinctly than most! Perfect. 👏

The OP using the fact that the dog has got her through multiple awful experiences is especially distasteful. How is that an excuse to put together 2 random untested dogs?

[Veterinari]

[quote dreams1990]@MissBaskinIfYoureNasty she's not pregnant. Why would we have a list of people ready to buy a puppy? She's day 21 of her cycle now so it won't be happening. I'm not going to sit in a corner and cry about it because I wanted thousands of pounds (which I wouldn't of got anyway). They will continue to be friends and when she has her next season, if I've decided he's still going to be in tact then maybe we'll consider it again. [/quote]
Great idea - cod breeding from a 6 year old bitch is even better than breeding from a a 5 year old one

Oh yes. Your knowledge and commitment to welfare are outstanding!

[Takemetothebar]

Thanks @Wolfiefan and @RedRiverHog

I shouldn’t let it bother me. I should just be grateful it’s not my breed, and my welfare charity that we are talking about here.

I spent an hour on the phone to an elderly doyenne tonight, to cheer her from her loneliness in lockdown- we talked about her blood lines in the 60s. It’s a privilege and a responsibility to breed, not a right.

[Wolfiefan]

Instead of posting pictures and getting stroppy why don’t you investigate what specialist tests the dogs would need?
Look into their pedigrees and the coefficient of inbreeding?
Instead of berating people who are justifiably shocked that you wouldn’t do the minimum of health testing before breeding.
And no. Having had rescue dogs or reporting someone doesn’t make up for your failure to do these tests or even try to breed in a responsible fashion.
But you know that. Hence the defensive posturing and pictures that prove nothing.

[nothingcanhurtmewithmyeyesshut]

People are being abrupt with you because you refuse to do even the bare minimum of the health testing required for breeding. You are immoral and irresponsible not to mention incompetent and this thread is exactly why I think that people should have to take an IQ and common bloody sense test to make sure they aren't a fucking half wit before they are allowed to take on an animal.

[Cherrysoup]

If you’re planning on a litter, you should have buyers lined up, although given the insanity of litters being bought before birth I’ve seen in lockdown, you’ll probably be lucky.

If you haven’t done all the breed recommended health tests, you are NOT decent people. You might potentially produce an entire litter with hd. Sticking 2 dogs together because one has a uterus is shit. Breeding should be done for the benefit of the breed. Yours is a x? The bitch owner will make thousands from this. Hope she’s registered with HMRC. Cockers are currently selling at £3K. Want to re-think taking a puppy?

[Undisclosedlocation]

“Whether you’re thinking of buying a puppy, or breeding from your dog, it’s essential that you know what health issues may be found in your breed. To tackle these issues we advise that breeders use DNA tests, screening schemes and inbreeding coefficient calculators to help breed the healthiest dogs possible.“

Lifted quote from Kennel Club page. The reason a friendship mating is a bad idea is because it is highly unlikely that a random friend from the local park will fulfill these criteria as well as a properly chosen stud dog, with both dogs having full health tests

But you already know that, don’t you?

[SchrodingersImmigrant]

Yes, people ignoring good advice for the wellbeing of the animals involved and instead calling people who care nasty is getting to me🤷🏻
What. A. Surprise.

[HmmSureJan]

[quote dreamadream1]**@WaltzingBetty* @raspberrysundaes* we've been researching and learning about it for over a year. Not something we've just thought about. [/quote]
You're so well researched that you didn't even realise that her being in season and him having been around here would explain his restless behaviour today?

Yeah right, you're totes ready to be a responsible breeder

[dreams1990]

@SchrodingersImmigrant really getting to you isn't it, why don't you come off the thread and calm down.

[SchrodingersImmigrant]

🙄 at least I am not some delusional "breeder"

[dreams1990]

@SchrodingersImmigrant instead of keep saying "god" maybe you should ask him to help you be a little kinder.

[dreams1990]

@Undisclosedlocation also saw their KC registration certificates and had copies of his vet trip and what he'd had done (worming, injection etc).

What is wrong with breeding in a friendship group? Both dogs are sprockers with lovely personalities.

[SchrodingersImmigrant]

Also. I grew up with rescue dogs. Doesn't make me a well of knowledge about breeding.
God

[SchrodingersImmigrant]

You dodge questions, then you throw a fit instead of answering a simple questions and call people nasty just because they dared to question your apparent lack of knowledge. Not because they wanted to get onto you personally, but because some people genuinely care about animals.

The only reason I jumped in now is because you are calling these people nasty. And they don't deserve it. Drama llama

[dreams1990]

@Undisclosedlocation we were actually on our way back from Battersea Dogs Home after being declined for adoption as they only had staffs available that needed people with experience in the breed when I saw the advert for my dog.

I went and met the family, the mum and dad, the brothers and sisters and my dog of course.

They came to my house a few weeks later and offered me him, I put a deposit down and picked him up a few weeks later. We are still in contact now, again you know nothing.

Could see Mum and Dad had a lovely temperament, all happy and clean, family lovely. Don't assume.

[dreams1990]

@SchrodingersImmigrant creating a drama? I asked for advice as to why my dog was whimpering for no apparent reason. I started no drama thank you.

[Undisclosedlocation]

[quote dreams1990]@MissBaskinIfYoureNasty she's not pregnant. Why would we have a list of people ready to buy a puppy? She's day 21 of her cycle now so it won't be happening. I'm not going to sit in a corner and cry about it because I wanted thousands of pounds (which I wouldn't of got anyway). They will continue to be friends and when she has her next season, if I've decided he's still going to be in tact then maybe we'll consider it again. [/quote]
Every reputable breeder meticulously plans litters well in advance and has waiting lists for their puppies.
If you do not know this, then my assumption would have to be that your own dog did not come from such a breeder.

Oh and just for the record, sensible breeders do not pick the sire for their litter because the dogs are ‘friends’
They pick for temperament, health and suitability of breeding lines.

[dreams1990]

@SchrodingersImmigrant calm down, no need to swear or get nasty. Showing yourself as a nice person here aren't you. I did say way back on the thread I grew up with rescue dogs.

[SchrodingersImmigrant]

[quote dreams1990]@SchrodingersImmigrant you know nothing about me. We had 9 rescue dogs growing up. I know a lot more than you assume I do. [/quote]
Well so fucking say it instead of creating a bloody drama on a website you know has lots of actual dog lovers by ignoring people's simple questions 🙄

God

[dreams1990]

Also I owe nobody any explanations. I recently took it upon myself to report a girl I work with for breeding French bulldogs left, right and centre and selling them at 6 weeks even though I told her I thought it was wrong as many did when she turned up in a new Audi after selling the 4th litter. I'm probably a lot more knowledgeable and kind as a person than anyone on here knows.