To hate trial by social media

[DreamChaser23]

this seems to be a huge problem. Everyone has become an "activist" nowadays on social media. Not to forget cancel culture which is a disgrace imo.

For example, Camila Cabello it was found out she was using the n word in her teens. She should have known better yes and it is disgraceful what she did. But surely there has to be a ground where we can all learn from our mistakes. Rather than saying let's cancel her it would be better to have a honest discussion with her and say something like "look its wrong to use this word don't say it" and go through the history of the n word I am sure that would be more effective than saying let's cancel her.

Another is before a trial is done we say people are guilty. For example, Johnny Depp everyone vilified him on social media but the fact of the case actually shows he was a victim and many of the girls and guys who accused him on social media have never apologised to him or said they were wrong in accusing him. Caroline Flack is another example. Yes there was evidence she was violent but what papers were doing disgusting and social media towards her.

Why do people feel the need to comment on things that they have no knowledge on? And the better question why do people think need to give their opinions on everything? I have seen this in my own life as well. People gossiping about men and women because they perceive they are "unsociable" "unloving" "ugly" etc... The world would be so much better if people stopped acting like they know the full story and feel entitled to comment on everything.

[NotMyNicknames]

This is a longer version than the 2 minute clip i saw on twitter so i havent watched the whole 15 minutes but if anyone wants to take a look it is here. Also i've just seen that since this video was originally posted by the guy who filmed it his twitter account has been suspended.

[NotMyNicknames]

I agree OP.

I saw a post on twitter where a black man was filming a white woman (races are relevant because in the video he was accusing her of being racist).
The man said this woman cut me off. flipped me off and then mouthed the n word at him. He said because of this he'd followed her home, to confront her. He had literally parked up behind her and the video started with him holding the camera up to her whilst she tried to cover her face and was pretty hysterical (i hate the word, it's rooted in misogyny, but can't think of a better one right now) and him going 'why don't you tell the world what you did karen, why are you screeching karen'. He then went on to film her number plate and house and literally said 'this is her license plate, this is where she lives, it's her address'. Now if this woman had done that to him she is obviously awful for doing so but a) there was no evidence of it, it's his word against hers b) i expect any woman would be scared and understandably shaken at being followed home in a car by a man, no matter what his race, and c) what was his intention of sharing her face, number plate and address with the internet if not to encourage people to find her and harass her?

It really was a horrible video to watch, he seemed completely unaware of his male privilege in that following and aggressively confronting any woman would scare her and seemed to be taunting her rather than open to any actual conversation or calm interaction.

[Pelleas]

I have no time for anything that goes on on social media.

However, I think anyone who seeks to become famous in the present has to accept that what they've put on SM in the past might come back to haunt them. If you have skeletons in your closet, you have to weigh up whether fame and fortune are worth the risk of them being exposed. If they're not, get a low-key job somewhere and keep music or whatever it is as an offline hobby. If they are ... brace yourself.

[Herebychoice]

Cubans and other Latinos are ok with using that word

Fat joe
Big pun
Cuban link
J-lo
All have/do use that word,non are black

[Miafey]

Having just looked at the things Camila Cabello was posting, I dont know how you draw a line between her and the likes of Hopkins and Tommy Robinson. Frankly the former seemed more direct and overt in their racism.

I dont think it's a case of trial by social media, rather people making a judgment on a person based on that person's words and actions.

[MargaeryTyrell]

Alongside bullying Normani, it was also discovered that she had a tumblr in which she shared multiple racist post alongside Twitter. They were all anti-black and horrible. It was more than her saying the N word which is awful in itself. She was 15 when the tweets were posted which IMO is old enough to know what you're saying is racist.

[Claudia1987]

I agree it's ridiculous and you know what? Facebook was set up to connect with family and friends and share special moments. Especially now we live so far a part. It has morphed into a weapon, a soapbox, a therapy session, a political tool, a business tool and whatever else.

People are so concerned about the Government tracking their movements in order to to protect society from a deadly virus, yet see no issue in documenting their every move and sharing intimate details of their personal lives.

Social media should be much more heavily regulated. Some people have mental breakdowns and do strange things and this can easily be picked up by the media at a future date to smear a persons character. It's awful. ^ I'm not talking about the people above specifically, I am referring to the general harm of the social media culture.

[Doingtheboxerbeat]

Op, I have read quite a bit about Camila and her awful treatment of her fellow band member from Fifth Harmony who was bullied and racially abused by her.
She recently apologised, not because she has seen the "light" but because of the tweets that came to "light".
They were quite brutal as I recall.

[DeeCeeCherry]

DeeCeeCherry the OP’s post is arguing against cancel culture, is that not obvious? It’s not the same at all

WeirdWonders OPs post is about defending racists who use the N word, Johnny Depp who no way is entirely a victim. All must be forgiven.

Is that not obvious?

Thankfully she's not in a position to mass-inflict 'get over it' ideology on people who've suffered via the isms she's talking about.

[slipperywhensparticus]

The thing is about being a 15 year old racist is it's most likely your parents your quoting you haven't grown up enough to form your own opinion

When I was 15 my parents used to watch (and let ME watch from a young age) Jim Davidson who was racist who drank and drove (the police looking after his licence jokes) cheated on his wife (or claimed to in a "comedy show") it was all normalized racism sexism alcohol abuse

Now I'm grown up its unacceptable to me as a child it was 🤷‍♀️ a joke

[CourtneyLurve]

Johnny Depp is not a victim.

[Chickychoccyegg]

she's 23 now, someone above said it happened in 2012, so when she was around 15? people can drastically change and grow up between those ages, she's apologised

[Weirdwonders]

DeeCeeCherry the OP’s post is arguing against cancel culture, is that not obvious? It’s not the same at all.

I agree OP, cancel culture is terrifying, we’ve probably all said or done things in the past that are problematic by the standards of the current time. I agree that what you should do is talk about it and consider the response of the person involved. But I honestly don’t think that’s what people want or even care about. They want to grab their pitchfork and watch people suffer. There’s a book by Jon Ronson ‘So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed’ which addresses a lot of this.

[flamingochill]

People have been sacked for slagging off their employer on SM
I think normal people expect celebrities to have "people" who comb through their past SM posts

[IsMiseMorag]

I think the whole concept of 'cancelling' is a weird and slippery slope. You can't just make things you don't like or don't agree with go away because you say so.

[DreamChaser23]

I am not a fan of her or her music I just used her as an example. The tweets were in 2012 I believe when she was a teenager. Yes she should have known better. And she should explain herself and learn from this. As a person of colour I was shocked and disgusted. But my problem is this. If we don't let anyone redeem themself OR improve themselves as human and just say cancel how will they learn as human beings?

Should some of us be cancelled? I have known people do stupid stuff when they were teenagers (affairs, drugs etc..) Where do we draw the line on what should be cancelled and what shouldn't?

[AlternativePerspective]

I have no idea who Camila Cabello is. How old is she now and how old was she when she used the n word?

This is relevant. We’re talking about something which is unpleasant and which most of us most definitely wouldn’t use, is also used by many black people themselves and thus could cause a teenager to think that it’s ok, you know, what’s good for the goose and all that. It’s often only with wisdom that you realise that a black person using the N word is different to a white person using it.

If this was say, in the past six months then I can totally see why people would boycott her music.

But if it was say, five years ago then no, I don’t agree, esp given she has now apologised.

I do absolutely agree re trial by social media, even when it seems that the party may in fact be guilty. E.g. the bloke who has been named in connection with Madeleine Mccann’s disappearance, now people practically have him guilty of any child disappearance in the past twenty years, but with no actual evidence. And they justify it on the basis that he’s an unpleasant individual anyway (which he is) so it’s ok then.

[DreamChaser23]

@Timekeeper1 exactly. But Amber does not get the same outrage as Johnny did before the truth came to light that he was also a victim. People did not know the full case that he was also a victim. Both are bad as each other but to blame him solely which many people did online was wrong when no one knew the whole truth.

[DreamChaser23]

@Kahiki nope I have not done anything racist. Yes she should acknowledge that she was racist. But to say we should never listen to her to someone who has apologised and has not made the same mistake again now is unreasonable. A better thing would be discussing with her and ensuring she has learnt from it and not making the same mistake in the near future

[motherheroic]

What celebrities have been 'cancelled' by social media.

[Timekeeper1]

I don't think it was ever proven that Depp never abused Amber. Sure, evidence came to light that she was also abusing him, but the general take away view was that they are both as bad as each other.

[DeeCeeCherry]

Well you're doing the same thing they do OP. Deciding your judgment is right and others are wrong. So round & round in circles it goes. That's so I'll media for you.

[singme]

@happinessischocolate cross post but also agree, that’s a good way of calling them out. My friend keeps doing it

[singme]

What @DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult said also

[happinessischocolate]

I've got friends who have shared pictures of people with the statement that this is the person who wrote graffiti on Churchill's statue, or threw a brick at the police horse or some other thing they have no proof of and each time I take a screen shot of one of my friends' photos and add it to the comments saying and this person helped them. And they still don't get it.

I also report the photos every bloody time and they eventually get deleted and then the friend will share a photo of another completely different person saying it was this person who did the graffiti, they just don't learn 😡