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To insist to see his credit file?

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ChangeroOfNamero · 18/08/2017 10:07

Background, DP and I have been together for just over 3 years, cohabiting for 2.5 years.

He earns reasonable money, however when he moved into my house, I found demands from payday lenders shoved into the back of cupboards at his old place. He dismissed these and said they weren't my concern as they were incurred and paid off before we met. Fine, I left it at that.

Last year, a demand came to our house for an old outstanding debt of around £1.7k. AFAIK, he has ignored that completely.

We were going to speak to a mortgage advisor early this year. The night before the apppointment, he broke down and cried, worrying that his credit rating would mean we were unable to get a mortgage. This is the only time I've ever seen him cry. We didn't go to the appointment.

I have today found another demand for late payment, shoved into a drawer, from another company.

WIBU to sit him down tonight and insist he shows me his credit report? We don't have any joint finances, and we are not married but I can't see how we can have a future when his attitude to debt is to hide it like this. I could be being harsh though, as a previous boyfriend declared himself bankrupt whilst we were living together and I had no idea!

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MumW · 26/03/2018 23:29

Be there when he leaves i wouldnt trust him at all!
^This
And be ready to change the lock as soon as he is out the door.

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Inertia · 26/03/2018 20:13

He's never going to get things together, and you clearly don't want to sign up for a life of being perpetually lied to. Don't be guilt-tripped into paying him off just to get him out.

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JustVent · 26/03/2018 19:40

She doesn’t need to get away! He does.
I’m shocked that’s even been suggested! She’s got a kid!

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JustVent · 26/03/2018 19:40

What is he spending it on?

Does he have a gambling addiction or something similar?
If so, that’s a second issue to boot.

I don’t think paying off 1.5k in half a year is bad going.
However, if he told you he had paid off 5.6k and lied again, then that’s the final straw.

I don’t blame you for giving him a second chance though, if I’m honest I think I would have done the same. With money you make one mistake and it snowballs. I’ve seen my friends go through it. But they only made that mistake once.

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Calvinlookingforhobbs · 26/03/2018 19:28

OP, can you stay with friends for a few weeks? You need to get away from him.

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snewsname · 26/03/2018 10:37

It hurts now but you'll look back and be thankful you had the strength to end it - and you can't say you haven't tried to help him.

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llangennith · 26/03/2018 10:14

My DF was delusional about money. Lovely man but financially hopeless to the end. DM discovered our house was being repossessed the following day after finding a stack of letters from the courts and bailiffs which he’d ignored. That was in 1963. They split up for a while and DM took over the finances when they got back together and bought another house.
But DF still managed to run up debts, which DM paid off, for the rest of his life.
You’ve done the right thing OP.

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Popchyk · 26/03/2018 09:29

Okay, this is actually your fault for being grabby?

He is taking no responsibility for it. Which is bad enough, but blaming you? That is really low.

And tells you everything you need to know.

Have your guard up. He hasn't given up yet. He may well have an eleventh hour paid everything off moment (which will have been funded by parents, friends or yet another loan). And I think there is a danger that he will apply for further credit under your name during this time (you'll have "driven" him to it, no doubt).

Sooner he's gone, the better.

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WeirdAndPissedOff · 26/03/2018 08:22

OP, I'm so sorry it turned out like this. At least you seem to have your head screwed on.
Don't let him turn this round on you - you're not grabby, or interfering, or anything else he might insinuate. With someone who's financially irresponsible, at best you will never be able to rely on them and can never have joint finances, at worst they'll drag you down with them.
And the lying/hiding debt is an absolute deal breaker.

Our DM is like your DH, and unfortunately it's harder to walk away, though I've been trying. For us it meant a childhood of not being able to answer the phone or door in case it was bailiffs, money worries (since she would always hide debt we never knew if "fine" really meant "fine"). And she ended up pulling everyone else down - she's had several "fresh starts", parents and several partners who have bailed her out at their own expense, and once we turned 18 we ended up taking out loans when she was "desperate" that she "would definitely pay back" - she would pay for a few months, then stop and guilt trip you. The thing is, no matter how much money/help she received, it never seemed to make a difference, and a few months later it would be back to square one again. A new debt/unpaid bill would turn up, we'd be unable to pay the rent/bills, and we'd hear the familiar "woe is me, if only someone could help" routine.

I know I'm projecting somewhat, but either way it's no life for a partner or DC. And if your DH is not willing to accept fault and be completely honest, there's no hope.

I would second what Pps have been saying about a credit check on yourself. You want to make sure that none of his debts have been tied to you in any way, and while nothing you've said so far suggests he's the sort of person to do it, it would also have been quite easy for him to take out credit in your name.

Best of luck. Flowers

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C0untDucku1a · 25/03/2018 22:40

Omg what a nob he is! End of this month i hope: then have him removed. Be there when he leaves i wouldnt trust him at all!

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 25/03/2018 22:40

Have you got a plan to cope with the boo hoos?

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ChangeroOfNamero · 25/03/2018 22:36

Yes, I've told him I'm done. Yes, I do have some savings now thank god. Now to work out how I will afford everything on my own! We have a dog, and the dog walker alone costs over £200 a month Shock

I tried to talk to him and his answer was just that he'll "make a plan" when he's good and ready and won't be pressured by me. He tried to insinuate that I'm money-grabbing by saying that I just want someone who can get me a bigger house! It's not that at all (although I thought we both wanted a bigger house). I just want someone I can build a life with and build joint finances with. That's never going to be him. He doesn't want to change, and so he can drown in his own financial shitstorm.

He has said he'll be gone by the end of the month. I can guarantee he'll ignore me for the next few days, try to wait for me to be less angry and then play the boo-hoo act, are you sure this is really what you want, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to find this post actually, he has form for hunting me down on Mumsnet when I've asked for opinions about him previously.

Thank you all for your brilliant and straight-talking advice. I needed it.

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C0untDucku1a · 25/03/2018 22:34

Op did he start working for himself? If be really concerned about vat and such.

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hungryhippo90 · 25/03/2018 22:10

Oh god, op I want to tell you to run for the hills.... I’ve been shafted my DHs debts time and time again.

I’m going to try and give you advice based on what I have been through.

He needs to show you his credit file, and he needs to have payment plans for everything- every single last debt. You will require proof he is paying them off or he needs to leave.

What has happened in the past is DH has forgot about a debt and or just ignored it until bailiffs turn up. Usually it’s not him that’s home, and it’s not even his stuff that furnishes the house. It’s all me and DDs stuff which bailiffs don’t tend to listen to.

You do not need the hassle, and if you give him that choice then he needs only one chance because honestly if he doesn’t make use of it he never will.

For the first time in me and DHs relationship we aren’t plagued by debts, for SIX years I had to wade through bill after bill after bill. Things would get better than a bailiff would turn up and demand 6/7/15/5k (all happened btw) things would be paid for 3 months then it would all fall apart again. Please do not waste your life worrying about the knock that will come to your door if he can not control his own finances.


It has taken my DH to lose a business, be made bankrupt, have us evicted from where we lived. Almost getting divorced- he went back to his mums for five months, ample bailiff visits- even a few days before christmas, until he got to the point where he said actually, I am shit with my finances, can you help?- the difference it has made is amazing. Everything’s paid on time, no new debts coming up.

I wouldn’t be doing it with a fairly new partner though

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Mookie81 · 25/03/2018 21:37

You gave him a chance, which was frankly more than he deserved. He threw that chance down the drain. If you don't get rid now I have no sympathy. If you can't do it for yourself do it for your son who doesn't deserve to have that no mark around him.

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username182 · 25/03/2018 19:09

My ex had debts I didnt know about until just before we split up. He had no intention of paying them back just as yours doesn't. It shows a real entitlement and lack of integrity.
He also owed money to or had outright conned people, people he'd done business with, others who had been friends.
Does your partner have friends op?
What circumstances led him to move in with you after 6 months?
You mentioned narcissism, that's ringing familiar alarm bells for me, mine also moved in after a short period.

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FollowYourOwnNorthStar · 25/03/2018 14:55

OP, first of all 💐🌷🌹🥀🌺

Secondly, did you continue with your bank account? After all these months, you probably have more in it than the 1500 pounds he paid off.

He had a very fair second chance from you. Be strong. Face a life without him if you want too.

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GardenGeek · 25/03/2018 14:34

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GabsAlot · 25/03/2018 14:31

oh dear just reading the update-hes clearly got a problem andisnt willing to change

did he try counselling?

you havent got a future if you havent got trust saying im shit after lieing yet again isnt good enough

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TaliZorahVasNormandy · 25/03/2018 14:23

Walk away OP. He cant be trusted with money and he cant even get himself out of debt, even when he had a plan to help him. He will lead you to ruin OP.

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FizzyGreenWater · 25/03/2018 14:17

I posted on your thread back in August.

I'll say the same - get out.

You want a family? You want children? You want security, love and laughs, to be able to trust your partner and live a nice, stress-free life? You want to have security for you and your children?

You're looking down the barrel of not having any of that. Of fucking up the one life you have because you didn't wise up in time. He's going to take every bit of those dreams away from you.

Jesus, he's not even charming with it, is he? Just a sulky 'I'm shit'?

For fuck's sake. Please don't be one of those people who turns round in 15 years and finally wises up but it's too late.

You're only three years or so in, yes? I had two relationships longer than that before I met my DH. Looking back, they were a drop in the ocean!

Get out now.

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Calvinlookingforhobbs · 25/03/2018 14:14

ChangeroOfNamero Get a grip of yourself. Life is hard enough without walking further down the line with this.

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MumW · 25/03/2018 14:13

Just read the thread for the first time. Well done for giving him a chance and trying to help him make a new start.

Unfortunately, he has just shown that he doesn't care or respect you enough to change.

I hope that you have the strength to throw him out and that you managed to put a little nest egg in place.

Don't worry about sofas etc, so long as you an afford to pay the mortgage & bills and put food on the table you can manage. For everything else, look to freecycle or manage without until you have found your feet.

Good Luck. Flowers

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Popchyk · 25/03/2018 14:11

"He should have paid off £5600 by now. He's only paid off £1500."

He may also have taken out more debt.

OP, do a credit check on yourself. I know you are not linked to him financially but it will set your mind at rest that he hasn't applied for credit in your name.

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Littlemissdemeanour · 25/03/2018 13:48

Hi OP

In your heart of hearts, I think you know what you have to do. Stonewalling is a form of abuse; and they don’t change, IMO.

My ex DP did this regularly and often and many years down the line, I still suffer esteem issues. Don’t be me.

As for the finances, my parents had mountains of debt, living the life, it all caught up with them eventually and it was hellish. Caused so many arguments as I fundamentally couldn’t understand the mentality - still can’t - still hurts. If I could have walked away, I would have. But we have family binding us together.

You’re free, you can walk. This will make you a better person, and find someone who respects your values and doesn’t shrug their shoulders.

Yes, you can do this!!

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