To think missing a portion of a lesson is not an appropriate sanction?

[MsGameandWatch]

Even if it's a favourite lesson, it's still a lesson, it's on the NC, it's part of their education. I don't think it should be used as a sanction punishment.

[AllPizzasGreatAndSmall]

Why didn't she exclude her from Maths or English then?

Because primary schools are judged on how well their pupils do in maths and english; nobody gives a toss whether they can create a picture in the style of Monet using pastels.

[Shadowboy]

Leeds2- we are a sixth form college so the GCSE students are all 17+ and most are resitting or taking up GCSEs to enable them to do A levels or an apprenticeship. We have to teach a 2 year course in only 9 months so they get set a lot of prep. If they don't do it we get really really behind so if they do t have it done they have to go off somewhere in college to get it done.

[slkk]

As a teacher I wouldn't do this unless the time was used to make amends/mediate/write apology letter etc if that was appropriate. Children might miss non core lessons to catch up on work not completed in core lessons or homework. But not for a playground dispute. The only exception might be if children were fighting at break in football and I felt they would not be able to play safely in PE. But even then, I'd probably adapt the lesson or have them referee etc rather than send them out. Refusal to apologise would lead to further time taken to discuss and explore the issues between the children (possibly at a break time).

[SmileEachDay]

Gwen it is relevant because if an issue between children happened at at and was likely to rumble on into the next lesson, it may well be perfectly appropriate..

[Allthebestnamesareused]

In that case it can be an appropriate punishment!

[Leeds2]

I am not disagreeing with your approach Shadowboy, but where do the DC go when they are missing a lesson? I guess A Level students would, hopefully, treat it as a study period but what about GCSE students?

[Trifleorbust]

MsGameandWatch: That's okay.

[GwenStaceyRocks]

Posters don't need to know what happened tbh because you weren't asking if it was an appropriate punishment in this circumstance but whether it's ever an appropriate punishment for an incident that happened at break. I don't think it is. Missing break is appropriate; not missing part of a lesson.

[Shadowboy]

I don't allow students in my lesson if the HW I set as preparation for the lesson hasn't been done. They then end up behind if their own doing. They only ever do it once or twice before they learn it's not worth it and they then DO their prep. I only teach GCSE and A level though!

[Starlight2345]

Was it unfair ?
Mn- don't know not enough information
OP- Mn is another world.

Not sure why you are asking. We have a behaviour policy in school that yes they can be removed from lessons for 5 minutes due to certain behaviours.

Her previous past behaviour is not relevant.
The fact it is her favourite lesson is not relevant.


I am left feeling very sorry for the teachers. They have 30ish children to look after and keep in line and actually any punishment is put under the microscope.

No idea if your DD was right or wrong I don't have enough information.

[TalkingofMichaelAngel0]

It is very common for students in secondary to be removed from lessons when their behaviour has been poor. Defiance will get that punishment.

Maybe the staff who were at school at the time of the disagreement saw more of what happened that youve been told by your daughter. Maybe other children saw what happened which resulted in both children being told to apologise. Maybe your daughter told you a version of fhe events that made her look better.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

Definitely unfair on trifle . She was just trying to figure out/ suggest what happened.

^ this.

[Coastalcommand]

Why post if you can't give enough information for anyone to decide if you are or aren't being reasonable?

[Tinkerbec]

Definitely unfair on trifle . She was just trying to figure out/ suggest what happened.

Teachers are limited in their sanctions better than a detention like they would have had in secondary or a day in removal which is sitting in a cubicle in isolation.

[harderandharder2breathe]

Nobody has slagged off your daughter ffs! Plenty have said she should have apologised, that's all.

[steff13]

You stated that you didn't think your daughter deserved to be punished based on her record, so it's fair enough for posters to disagree with that. Having an "exemplary record," doesn't give you carte blanche to misbehave, even if it's only once. Also, sometimes in life you have to apologize even when you weren't in the wrong. It's just a thing you have to do.

Personally, I would have made her miss her next break time if I were the teacher. But I'm not the teacher, and I don't know what her motivation was for making your daughter miss part of a lesson. Was something special happening in the lesson, and that was the punishment, to miss the special thing?

[SmileEachDay]

What a very odd thread.

[MsGameandWatch]

Oh and to be quite clear, I didn't ask whether my daughter deserved to be punished, I asked if that kind of punishment - missing lessons, was suitable, so I reserve the right to be as "vague" as I like, given that what she did is only relevant in whether something disruptive took place in the classroom, which it did not. So thanks for all those opinions on a question I didn't even ask 😊

[MsGameandWatch]

Some of those posts have made me laugh. I absolutely refuse to tell what happened because it's personal and I would only be accused of drip feeding anyway but i do feel that those of you making stuff up and slagging my daughter off would feel rather ashamed if you knew the full story. Wh don't people ever give anyone the benefit of the doubt on here? Always straight to the nasty assumptions. It may be of interest to you that in five years of attendance at that school I have never once complained about the actions of a teacher, always respected their position as being in loco parentis.

I will bow out now. I know MN too well to get sucked into the over sharing just to prove myself. I don't need to do that, certainly not on this occasion 😊

[melj1213]

OP

Everyone: We need more info but from your OP, YABU

OP:

Everyone: YABU

OP: No I'm not, but I can't say why because they might be identifying so I'm ignoring you all as you don't know the full story.

[harderandharder2breathe]

Yabu to say she shouldn't be punished at all

Sometimes you just have to suck it up and apologise that someone's feelings were hurt regardless of rights or wrongs.

I agree that missing playtime or golden time would be more appropriate but I think you'd still be complaining anyway

[KittyVonCatsington]

Your response to Trifle was uncalled for and way off the mark. I think you are reacting in the way that you are because you don't like what she has to say.

You say your DD shouldn't be punished due to her exemplary record but that is nonsense. The other girl may well have thought they were in the right but they had the manners to apologise. Your DD didn't.

And with regards to your other teacher friends, of course they are going to tell you want you want to hear!


In answer to your OP, yes, it can be appropriate to miss portions of lessons as sanctions . Education is a right but with that, comes responsibilities and too many children and prarents these days (shockingly more and more even in Primary school) see the rights but shirk the responsibilities.

[TricuspidValve]

I think there is probably a whole other story to this and there is probably a distraught child in another house just now.

[Saucery]

I agree, OP. No lessons should be missed as a punishment, only breaks or Golden Time.

[brasty]

Yes I agree with you. I disagree though that it was fine for your daughter not to apologise. Sometimes we just have to swallow and do this.