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To request a new midwife or complain over this social services issue?

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ChickenDrumsticks · 22/08/2016 19:21

I'm a regular poster but this is the username I use when posting about this particular issue/event

Last year my DH was arrested for possessing indecent images of children. Police came into our home at 7am, searched it and took all our electronics.

DH runs his own business building sites online and, when he has a client, he does the full service including setting up email accounts for them. They told him that indecent images had been exchanged via an email he had set up. The user somehow 'hid' (sorry don't know official terminology) the IP address, and the only trace they had of anyone accessing the account was DH, hence the arrest. He handed over all relevant information about the client in question, but the police obviously still had to carry out a proper investigation, which they warned us would take months maybe years. He wasn't charged

In the meantime children's services intervened with our (at the time) 2yo DD. DH couldn't be alone with DD unsupervised until a conclusion was reached. It was incredibly tough for all of us. She was placed on a Child in Need plan and we had regular visits and a conference. HV was also involved but mainly from a support POV.

6 months after the arrest our goods were returned. They had found nothing at all and confirmed DH's account of events was correct. The case was dropped against him, and children's services closed the case on our daughter as they had no concerns. They commented on our strength and co-operation through the process, and when asked said there'd be concerns whatsoever should we have more children and there'd be no need for them to intervene. Because of sickness of a SW they took 2 months to close DD's case, which they apologised for, and made no visits in this time.

I can't tell you the relief we felt. I trusted DH's account, but also protected DD 'just in case' in ensuring he was not alone with her through the process. Had they found images I'd have left straight away.

We are expecting again, I am 5 months pregnant.

I have not exactly warmed to my MW, but TBH I didn't think it mattered too much as I was only ever seeing her at appointments.

In my green notes it asks if we have ever had SS intervention, to which I ticked 'yes' and put the social worker's name. That's all it asked for, no details. However the MW never asked about it, and I assumed she spoke to the SW beforehand to check details.

At the last appointment she said that as part of safeguarding they do checks with HV and GP, and "it's came up that there are some concerns to do with your husband and some images".

I explained the story, about how he was innocent, no images were found and children's services closed the case for our DD.

She said she'd just have to speak to children's services to clarify this, to which I said that's fine.

I got a call last week from the MW to say she's had our story clarified but that, because of our 'history', ie involvement with SS, the fact they 'didn't immediately close our case', and 'I didn't tell her about it', she was making another referral for our DD and unborn baby. I explained they closed the case slowly due to sickness, and that they'd confirm this, and there were no concerns as we knew unequivocally that no crime was committed. I also said I filled my green notes about SS involvement. She just kept saying our history meant she had to refer, and that I should have actually mentioned it to her, not just in the notes. She said they'd do one of 3 options-

  1. Nothing
  2. Have a discussion or home visit with us
  3. Re-open a case with our DD and unborn baby


I've been sick with worry since the weekend. I haven't told DH, as he firmly believed that that awful phase in our lives was over. His mental health suffered greatly during the investigation, and I think more intervention would take him back to a horrible place.

I haven't eaten or slept in days, I keep crying and I do feel it's unfair - we know in hindsight there was never a danger to DD, so I don't know what has now changed.

The SW called me today and I thought I was going to faint with worry. She asked if there'd been any new developments or concerns since the case was closed, and had I any concerns or worries re DH? I said no, that I told the MW the story and wasn't sure why she had referred us, and no worries at all, we were fine. She went to chat to her manager and called back a few minutes later to confirm no visits would be made and they didn't need to re-open the case, and that she'll feed this back to the MW. She is really lovely and was worried about me not sleeping, and said it was really not necessary that we were referred and she was sorry I had to live through that worry for a week. She assumed I had 'told new concerns' to the MW as she doesn't know why else there'd be a referral.

I can't explain the relief I felt, I 100% understand why they safeguard, and would understand a referral of he had actually committed an offence or if they'd had concerns. However I felt that the MW referral was for no good reason and that she has been sloppy mainly re me ' not informing' her of previous involvement and also assuming the wrong thing about the time it took to close the case.

WIBU to request a new MW? And WIBU to put in a complaint - or is this very standard procedure to re-refer even with closed case, when there's been no new developments? I just feel she's caused unnecessary distress, the SW told her she had zero concerns yet still chose to refer.
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magoria · 23/08/2016 17:51

I think you should ask for a new MW.

This one has caused you unnecessary stress, blamed you when you filled out the forms as requested and from your posts comes across as uncaring of you and your needs.

That she was informed by SW there was no need to refer but still decided to and put you through all this was shitty.

You will never trust her and she will make you paranoid about the slightest accident or slightest weight loss your baby has.

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HornyTortoise · 23/08/2016 15:52

I would request a new one. You need to feel able to speak to your MW about anything. I just didn't click with my original one and requested a change and it was done by the next appointment and I got a lovely lady who I was actually rather upset when contact ceased after DD was born as we got on so well and I felt so comfortable with her.

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thatsnotmyusername · 23/08/2016 15:45

She was just doing her job. Where I work it is standard procedure... Previous safeguarding concerns then create referral, which will be looked at and then hopefully closed. Honestly you cannot imagine the stress midwives and hcps are under when it comes to stuff like this when the process isn't followed. I am sorry it has caused you stress and I am glad everything is okay. If you want to change midwife then she will understand and not take it personally (these these things happen) and the new one won't need to rehash this as (I am guessing) it will be within the same trust and they likely work from the same base so will be able to share info between each other. Change if you feel uncomfortable but she wouldn't have wanted to make you feel that way and it wouldn't have been personal at all

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PersianCatLady · 23/08/2016 14:54

What happened to your and your DH was awful but I still think that the police acted in an appropriate way as they have to investigate these things.

What seems wrong to me know is that you will always have to mention this in all types of situations and that to me is very wrong.

As absolutely no evidence was found against your DH as there clearly wasn't any I think that this whole experience should be allowed to be removed from your records and that you should not have to mention it again.

A friend of my father's used to work as a charge nurse in a care home and one day there was a raid by the immigration service.

Every member of staff was arrested but this guy was released without charge a few hours later and now has problems with travelling to the USA, this to me is so wrong.

So in answer to your original question I think that you should definitely ask to change your midwife as you clearly no longer feel comfortable with dealing with her and this is not what you need right now and to me that is all that matters.

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FeedMyFaceWithJaffaCakes · 23/08/2016 09:34

I was a DN for two years before becoming a SPN and in my area, we could ring social services just for advice and they would tell us whether they needed a new referral or whether they had that patient on their books already so to speak... Maybe it's not the same with children. Sorry for your experience OP, I'd ask for a new midwife but make your experience explicit from the beginning Flowers

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herecomesthsun · 23/08/2016 09:19

The other thing is that the midwife was almost certainly told to call you back and tell you when the referral was being made to social services, as part of the Safeguarding plan.

I can see that having a referral made behind one's back could itself be cause for a complaint, just as I can see that having an upsetting conversation about it would be very distressing.

This whole area seems very unsatisfactory to be honest.

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Itwillbefine · 23/08/2016 06:20

Can you go and discuss this with your GP?

How much do you have to see your MW, some places you only see them a few times and no contact at the birth.

She has caused you distress, even if it was what she had to do. The other option is actually discussing how you feel with her?

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 23/08/2016 05:33

I don't think it's a case of 'the devil you know' as this midwife handled it badly. Trying to blame the OP when she filled out a form correctly, is disgusting.

I don't think people understand quite how awful it is for someone to behave like this, beyond any procedures necessary, her attitude and behaviors are scary and I wouldn't trust her to have my best interests at heart. She could have dealt with this in a very different manner, and it makes me cross when people who behave badly then hide behind process to excuse the way they have behaved.

I would definitely swap midwives but go through the manager / senior staff so that they can stop anyone going round in circles.

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DoNotBlameMeIVotedRemain · 22/08/2016 22:22

This is kafkaesque :(

I think you should complain if you don't think it will add to the upset of the situation. Flowers

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Hockeydude · 22/08/2016 22:20

I'd keep this midwife to avoid the risk of another midwife rehashing this.

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ToadsforJustice · 22/08/2016 22:19

The MW quite correctly made a safeguarding referral. What she shouldn't have done was to stress the OP out with the phone call taunting her with what the outcome of the referral may be and inferring that the OP was keeping something from her. Bad practice. Needs further training.

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Marynary · 22/08/2016 22:11

If it is the norm to make a referral to cover her back then she should have said so. Instead she gave the impression that this isn't routine and that you were partly to blame for the referral. For that reason I would ask for a different midwife.

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microscope · 22/08/2016 21:56

Change her if you feel that you can't forgive her - but I am a GP and I would have done a new referral too. I'm sure you have seen in some high profile cases how HCPs get hung out to dry - the Baby P GP was scapegoated blamed even though he had referred several times to social services.

I hope the rest of your pregnancy goes well. What an awful time you have been through.

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PikachuSayBoo · 22/08/2016 21:55

I would ring the hospital and ask to speak to the community midwife manager and explain what's happened and take it from there.

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purplefizz26 · 22/08/2016 21:51

I wouldn't complain. Purely because you will have to drag up the past and this should be a happy time for you. You don't need the stress.

Definitely insist on a different midwife though. She sounds harsh and you won't be able to be comfortable around her now thanks to the way she handled your situation.

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ChickenDrumsticks · 22/08/2016 21:38

Thanks everyone for your replies and understanding.

I think what I'm going to do is take a breather for a few days to calm down, my emotions are still running very high and it doesn't make for good decision making.

Could a new MW really refer me as well? Would they not see that SS have recently said no to opening a new case and be satisfied with that? I have to say I never thought that we'd have to have this dragged back up for years to come, again and again, I thought it was forever over Sad I don't want to sound silly but he's done nothing wrong, if something had come of it I'd completely understand

I know I'm biased and emotional about the issue but I did think there's an element of over-riding common sense and what's good for our welfare for the sake of arse covering and self preservation. However I also know how much pressure HCPs are under to make sure they get safeguarding right, so I do see both sides.

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Tomselleckhaskindeyes · 22/08/2016 21:38

I do think she needs extra training so yes I would complain.

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frikadela01 · 22/08/2016 21:16

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It's all good and well saying professionals should be capable making referrals based on their judgement but when they really hammer it home during the safeguarding training just what happens when those referrals aren't made, or aren't acted on then you kind of do want to be overly cautious. As an example my last safeguarding training spent the entire afternoon discussing the hamza khan case. Believe me I've put in my fair share of referrals to SS since then that have amounted to nothing but I always explain why and I'd rather do that than risk the alternative.

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Tumtitum · 22/08/2016 21:16

Only read your first post so apologies if I'm repeating. I would request a new midwife but wouldn't bother with a complaint as I don't think it would go anywhere. She sounds like a jobsworth who felt like she needed to cover her arse. I work in health and social care and unfortunately some people are so scared of what might happen if they don't make a referral somewhere that they can't use their common sense and realise that it isn't needed!! So sorry you had to be put through that stress, especially whilst pregnant Flowers

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frikadela01 · 22/08/2016 21:09

Yanbu to request a new midwofe, like others have said the relationship is tainted now.

However the mw actions were not unreasonable. In the trust I work for we are advised to create new referrals since there is a very clear process for this and it creates a paper trail and means that SS have to respond (they aren't the easiest service to get information from)

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galaxygirl45 · 22/08/2016 21:01

I'm torn between saying she was only doing her job, and equally saying she handled it really badly. I'd be honest with her, and let her know she's caused you added stress that you really don't need, and say you expect better from her from now onwards. I hate to say it but changing midwives may mean you go through the whole process again. Good luck with your pregnancy.

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APlaceOnTheCouch · 22/08/2016 20:56

I think you should request a new midwife. You need to trust your MW and feel comfortable with them and I don't think either will be possible with this MW now.
You could have a chat with your GP, make sure your notes are all up-to-date and then explain why you want a new MW.
Flowers I'm sorry she caused you to have such a horrible time.

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