to pull out of house purchase (eu citizen)

[nicky883]

I am an eu citizen been living and working at uk for 6 years
We send our contracts for our first house purchase yesterday. Now am thinking about telling the lawyers to not exchange !
Wwyd if you were in my position ?
Its the first time since i lived here that i dont feel welcome

[SomeonesRealName]

Me too Nicky.

[nicky883]

Thanks everyone we decided to go ahead with the purchase

[Madbengalmum]

If you are buying a property to live in for any reasonable length of time then go for it.
If you are buying to make a quick buck then dont bother, but i would say that to anyone at anytime, brexit or not.

[seventhgonickname]

I would buy ,negative equity is only a problem if you only plan to live in short term.In areas like Surrey house prices are only likely to increase more slowly that they would otherwise do.The fear of those non British citizens that they will be booted out is ill-founded,you are needed hear and the government will be tackling bigger problems first.It would be nice if the politicians made this clear though as fear is not good.Enjoy your new home

[OutwardBound2016]

Boner, exactly what I said to a leave voter today. I am quite surprised that people think the EU is going to cheerfully allow lovely trade deals with no pay off, the pay off will be free movement. I can see two years down the line that Boris will try to cover up this particular gem, will get found out and the tories booted out.

[nicky883]

DianaRoss i hve no idea what you are talking about i was being ironic with that statement and you have no idea where i am from !

[Hodooooooooor]

Brexiters are depending on the new govt to remember one of the main reasons people have for exiting

LOL. And are you depending on them to keep all their other pie in the sky promises? Good luck with that!

There is also a security aspect associated with free movement of EU nationals into the UK - and that is those who do relocate to the UK have only recently became EU citizens, within a handful of years. They are not European, but rather from the MENA countries

If they have become EU citizens they ARE european. And what are you going to do about the ones already here?

[BonerSibary]

The point of future negotiations is to NOT sign any clause allowing free movement of people.

Very best of luck with that one.

[lasttimeround]

Difficult one. Under existing arrangements you are fine as long as you keep your job. Those arrangements will be in place for at least the 2 year art 50 negotiating period. After that EU nationals will become subject to the same immigration laws that apply to other nationals or perhaps some other legislation will be developed to deal with the 2.5m of us here who came not expecting immigration control to affect us in that way. Having been here and working for plus 5 years qualifies you to apply for British citizenship but that's a test and just over 700 quid away.
We are are EU nationals from 2 different member states. We own a house. I've been here over 2 decades. It's scary that rules that we based longterm plans on are now in jeopardy.
I guess the really big issue is if you'll lose money in negative equity if the gamble that we'll be allowed to stay long term doesn't pan out. We have to try to secure our status here now. If I had onward mobility I'm not sure I'd be buying right now. Also if the economy tanks you might be unemployed just as you try for citizenship under current rules you wont be eligible if you are here for work and not as a spouse.

There's a lot of guff on this thread. I work in immigration so the above is accurate. But obviously it's uncertain what transitional arrangements for EU nationals will be. It's unlikely the government would seek to get us all out at once but things are less favourable and less guaranteed.

[DianaRoss]

"If you'll concede free movement anyway, what was all the guff about immigration and taking back control of your borders, you know, the reason most people voted to leave?"

The point of future negotiations is to NOT sign any clause allowing free movement of people. Brexiters are depending on the new govt to remember one of the main reasons people have for exiting. There is also a security aspect associated with free movement of EU nationals into the UK - and that is those who do relocate to the UK have only recently became EU citizens, within a handful of years. They are not European, but rather from the MENA countries.

[DianaRoss]

Yes i believe they will round us up put us in busses and take us to a camp somewhere for gods sake !

No Nicky, that may be something your country would do, but not GB.

[DianaRoss]

yaasqueen you are being racist with your remark "This country is full of old uneducated white people you're better off elsewhere"

What makes you think the OP is not white?

[Hodooooooooor]

You as in your country.

[BonerSibary]

You? Nothing to do with me thank you very much!

Did you see the Daniel Hamman interview? As I have said elsewhere, people voting Leave because of immigration are going to be sadly disappointed. Even in the highly unlikely event that we totally abandoned any free movement within the EEA and everyone currently here under EU law left, that will not solve the current refugee crisis and unless we find a way to get considerably further off the coast of France, we will not be able to insulate ourselves from it.

[Hodooooooooor]

If you'll concede free movement anyway, what was all the guff about immigration and taking back control of your borders, you know, the reason most people voted to leave?

[BonerSibary]

There were transitional provisions for PSW, in the legislation. There's nothing written at all about EEA nationals. As I say, I think it's a moot point because we'll be conceding free movement anyway, but the key words in my post as in yours are 'I think'.

[nicky883]

Once tou have a visa or a documentation issued by the british home office i dont think they can just take it away . For example proplr who had already applied for the psw visa and it was then cancelled if they had already applied for it they still got it

I have a permanet residence card issued by the uk for excersising my treaty rights for 5 years in this country and paying 40% income tax !

I dont think they will just take that away there is a lot of legislation that needs to be approved before doing so in the meantime people who can will apply for naturalization

[BonerSibary]

OP has said she's eligible to become a British citizen before even the earliest possible date of leaving, but it's true that we don't know whether those in the UK under EU law at the date of leaving will be protected or not. All we can do is guess.

Additionally, I'm not aware of anything in EU law that would allow a person a right of residence simply due to owning property in a country. In practice most EEA nationals who own a home in the UK would also either be working here or self sufficient, but not necessarily. We could of course legislate to allow any EU/EEA national owning a home the right to live and work in the UK, but again none of us can be sure what will happen. In reality, we're likely to have to concede free movement, rather hilariously, but people can't necessarily be expected to rely on educated guesswork when they've got hundreds of thousands of pounds riding on it.

[GhostofFrankGrimes]

From the Guardian live feed;

Homebuyers spooked by the UK’s decision to leave the EU are pulling out of deals or attempting to renegotiate prices, according to property professionals, as the housing market suffers Brexit vote aftershocks.

One property developer in central London, which had offered a “Brexit clause” allowing nervous buyers to pull out of deals in the event of a leave vote said it was allowing buyers to withdraw and keep their deposits.

www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comments

[Hodooooooooor]

Hodoooooor that is rubbish. She is already here so is already protected by international law

No, EU law. Which you just fucking left.

What a crowd of dunces. Haven't you even read a paper today? Once you leave the EU, current EU laws on who can live where will not apply, unless you negotiate to keep them.

[Hodooooooooor]

there are simply no process's in place that would allow the UK to distinguish one person from the next never mind deport them. Its offensive to suggest other wise. Fuck me. I can't believe the shit I am reading

Are you that thick, really? No processes in place...in the EU you have the right to freedom of travel, to live and work in any EU country. When you leave, unless you negotiate terms on this, that will be GONE. That means that all the people with EU passports will no longer have the right to live and work in Britain. No-one is saying there will be mass deportations but there will be changes.
Fuck me, I can't believe anyone can't understand that. What did you think would happen when you left the EU, nothing would change?

[Mistigri]

there are simply no process's in place that would allow the UK to distinguish one person from the next never mind deport them. Its offensive to suggest other wise. Fuck me. I can't believe the shit I am reading.

Me neither, because you're plainly outright wrong on a matter of fact that can be verified quite easily - and you're telling people that they are offensive?

The fact is that - other than EU citizens who have a presumed right to be in the UK thanks to the single market - all other legal migrants very much do need a "way to distinguish them" from migrants of the illegal variety, in the form of work visas or other paperwork that shows they have the right to remain. If they don't have this paperwork, they can be deported, although most aren't, because finding and then deporting illegal migrants is neither easy nor cheap.

Once the UK leaves the EU, migrants from the EU will lose their existing rights unless an agreement is reached to respect pre-existing rights. Once this happens, they too will need some form of paperwork to prove that they benefit from these pre-existing rights.

[shovetheholly]

Sorry, to be clear, I am talking about harassment by the authorities around immigration. There is also a nastier more personal harassment happening.

[shovetheholly]

I've had friends who have had to leave because student visas ran out the moment they had finished their PhD. They would have been awesome additions to the workforce and net contributors to tax.

The already existing harassment if immigrants is horrendous. People don't realise how bad it already is, and what elaborate hassles and very damaging stress it creates.

[CiaoVerona]

Its going to take at least a few years to negotiate with Europe if not longer in the mean time everyone here will be free to remain.

Its absurd to suggest anyone in the UK legally will be asked to leave there are simply no process's in place that would allow the UK to distinguish one person from the next never mind deport them. Its offensive to suggest other wise. Fuck me. I can't believe the shit I am reading.