To wonder why bigger outcry for genetic strangers murdering children than their own parents

[Rowanhart]

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/gateshead-mum-partner-found-guilty-11407072

To me a baby being killed by their own mother is more shocking. Being killed by the one person supposed to protect you is more horrific than a predator (although,of course, equally distressing)

But for the media and many people a stranger is the bigger story.

I wonder why.

[A11TheSmallTh1ngs]

The case you mentioned is all over the news. Again, what outcry is missing that you think should be present?

What's your theory? Why is it?

[Rowanhart]

Thanks Dacre though...

[Rowanhart]

I haven't been asked to refer to cases either, although I did include one is in the original post and subsequently, so where your last spewing of vitriol came from, I've no idea.

[Rowanhart]

I think your reading a lot more into my position that there and assuming quite a lot about my intentions here which are complete bollocks A11.

I was starting a discussion not setting out a stall or desiring salacious detail. That's why said, I wonder why.

[A11TheSmallTh1ngs]

Just5minswithDacre

If the OP has something profound to say, why doesn't she just say it?

I hate this stupid po-faced vaguebooking shite.

There is literally no evidence for anything she is saying re media coverage.

She can't refer to one case that makes her point, has ignored every single substantive point anyone has made on the thread. She is obliquely referring to some moral fault on the part of the general public ( i.e. i wonder why) without just spitting out her position. Meanwhile she's practically dislocating her shoulder patting herself on the back over it.

Ok rowanhart why do you think that it's not a bigger story???? Please enlighten us instead of vaguely referring to something terribly wrong in the state of denmark?

[LetsSplashMummy]

I think when you arrest/ suspect the parents straight away and they are charged, the media have to wait until the trial to see the evidence and details - so there isn't much to report. When it is an unknown person, a lot of details are released in the hope of catching the person and it makes a lot more headlines. Once they catch them, you have to wait for the trial for the next lot of headlines.

Mikaeel Kulir had a bit of both as he was reported missing and searched for and found before the mum was arrested. There was no sense of anti-climax for her arrest. Similarly, with Fred and Rose West, there was no difference in the reporting between the victims they were related to and those that they weren't. Therefore, I think you are wrong to attribute the difference in reporting to a sense of apathy, you need to compare like-with-like.

[Just5minswithDacre]

*A11
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You're being pretty damned offensive in the position you are attributing to OP

[A11TheSmallTh1ngs]

And stop acting daft, kids killed by strangers GO MISSING FIRST. there's usually a huge manhunt and a search for the victim. The public has to be enlisted for the search. Children have to be found. Perpetrators have to be found. Takes days if not weeks.

Children killed by parents are found straightaway. There is still a huge news story. Trials are followed and reported on. What more do you want? What additional coverage do you feel is necessary? coloscopies? X-rays? More sobbing testimony? Pics of dead babies?

Gotta keep the GBP entertained!!

[A11TheSmallTh1ngs]

Rowanhart

Stop hiding a daily mail sequel desire for salacious details under some sort of mask of humanitarian concern. There is no actual reason to be supplying the public with details of every cut and burn in these cases. They are reporting the trial, abuse and murder. The public aren't owed front seats to some grotesquerie. If you want daily details of chil murder, get a job in social services.

[SmallLegsOrSmallEggs]

It definitely does get reported, moreso when it is women but there are restrictions on what the press can say before a trial.

The Liam Fee case was reported daily in Scotland.

However I think they are also more cateful in these cases because there are other children involved who have already had the worst possible start to life and who do not need the media all over them and everyone knowing who they are for the rest of their days. I feel dreadful for Liam but just as bad for those poor kids who are living with all those memories in their heads and all they have been through with the case and bring wrongfully accused.

However, what always make me sad is that the parents in these cases often say they struggled to cope and just lost their temper etc. So why do they fight so hard to keep the kids? It's as if they want to keep them just so they can abuse them.

[Catmuffin]

Done

[Hodooooooooor]

Because its much less common obviously. But it all gets reported, do you just not notice it? Cos thats your issue.

[Catmuffin]

Oops i think one of those trials is ongoing so I'll report my post.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

When there is an added aspect that makes a story 'saleable' (like the parents are same sex partners) then our neanderthal press will always have more of a field day. But I'm not sure press outrage really reflects anything other than editors' ideas of what sells copy

That is actually a ridiculous comment. The press coverage I have seen of Liam Fee case has made nothing of the fact it was a same sex couple beyond the rather unavoidable fact of mentioning the accused both had girls names and were a couple.


[MyBreadIsEggy]

(Should probably add that 20 years after the original conviction, all three men were released from prison, their convictions overturned. As there were so many people from around the world who had examined evidence from the case and were rallying in support for them. Not a single shred of evidence - DNA or otherwise - could place any of them anywhere near the murdered children or at the crime scene)

[MyBreadIsEggy]

I've been watching a series of documentaries lately all about one monumental US case of triple child murder. After watching the documentaries, reading a couple of books, and researching the case myself, it is blatantly obvious to me that definitely one if not two fathers of the murdered children were responsible. But instead of the parents being questioned or having DNA samples taken, three local young men, who clearly had no connection to the children or the alleged crime scene, and had alibis for the time of the crime were arrested and eventually convicted.
One of the (wrongly) accused men said that he and his friends were used as a scapegoat, because it's much less scary for the public to believe children have been murdered by strangers than at the hands of their own parents.
And I agree with him. As children we are all taught "stranger danger". Most kids couldn't comprehend the idea that their own parents could be a danger to them - even though domestic killings are way more common.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

And if the case you are talking about is that of baby Liam (I can't click on your link) it has certainly been reported in the national papers

The trial was reported on a daily basis in the Scottish media however the press collectively took the decision that the level of abuse was so horrific that what was disclosed in court could not be openly reported.

[Rowanhart]

Actually A11 wasn't making a 'twatty comment about media' but trying to understand why we all focus on the rare example of kidnapped and murdered children rather than te regular occurance of babies being killed by people who are supposed to love them.

In his instance, the mothers of this baby tortured him and his brothers to a Hindley and Bradey level. Horrific. But coverage tiny in comparison.

To say not able to discuss these kinds of issues is just daft. Media coverage matters because it is reflection of our values and opinions.

[raisedbyguineapigs]

I think part of it is the fact that stranger murders are far, far more rare, but also from a self preservation point of view, we look at these cases and think it couldn't happen to my child, because we couldn't treat our children that way. But if a stranger was to come and abduct you child, there is little you could do about it. Unfortunately in a lot of cases, even when a child is killed by a 'stranger', it's not a stranger at all, but a relative or friend of the family.

[Just5minswithDacre]

Oh please, what bullshit

So There are tons of people who think child murder is totes amaze - as long as it's done by the kids mom - but a few more daily fail headlines will change their mind, will it?

You've completely lost me A111. I don't remember saying anything like that.

If you don't think media reporting of crime is important try googling 'missing white woman syndrome' or research what impact a high-profile abuse case has on the level of reports made to social services and NSPCC.

[A11TheSmallTh1ngs]

Just5

Oh please, what bullshit

So There are tons of people who think child murder is totes amaze - as long as it's done by the kids mom - but a few more daily fail headlines will change their mind, will it?

Especially since, as we've clearly confirmed, newspapers always ignore stories of child murder by family members and these things go completely unremarked upon.

Oh wait, except that's not true at all.

[SmallLegsOrSmallEggs]

Where the fuck were the fathers of these poor boys???

The father was living in the city the mothers moved away from taking his dc with them and then he was in court crying his eyes out his child has been murdered I don't think it's very fair to blame him.

[Just5minswithDacre]

Media coverage does matter A11; it affects how people react when they see something concerning.

[A11TheSmallTh1ngs]

You know what, This conversation is so fucking tasteless! Children are dead here. coopting these tragedies for some smug twatty post about the media and how everyone's wrong but you is just vile. It's all implied but it's crass nonetheless.

oh, sigh, why won't these strangers react to child murder in the way I deem most appropriate. I'm so much more entitled and empathetic blah blah blah