"I'd like to drop my trousers to the queen" rather than pick litter for her.

[bigmouthstrikesagain]

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3472277/Shame-liberals-rubbish-efforts-clean-Britain-Queen-TOBY-YOUNG.html

I am afraid I am one of those terrible 'liberals' who are unimpressed with calls to 'Clean for the Queen' - I would like to see cleaner streets and parks and I always pick up my litter - I would call for better funded local services to provide cleaning crews and better maintenance of streets and parks. I always encourage my children to use the bins provided on the street - but the bins are infrequently emptied and the Councils are too cash strapped to ensure that parks/ roads are kept well maintained and safe. I carry rubbish home if there is no available bins and I think it is depressing how easily people drop their litter without a second thought. Maybe the Queen can provide more dog poo bins.

The Queen has f all to do with a better local environment. She is the person that must think the world smells like fresh paint, she has nothing to do with my life and I don't find an over privileged stately home squatter very inspiring - how much litter picking does she do? How would she have any understanding of the disenfranchised and disengaged in society who live shitty lives and are surrounded by ugly unsafe infrastructure, dog poo lined streets and the general impression that no one gives a shit about them.

Clean for our neighborhoods? Don't drop your litter? - use our council tax to provide better street cleaning services? - yes. Clean for the Queen? - no thanks.

[Tiggeryoubastard]

Now now peasants. Today we've been treated to some lovely photos of Kate and Will on a skiing holiday...now doesn't that warm the cockles of your heart?

What was it Prince Charles was saying the other day about the peasants people holiday img in flood areas?
So it's ok for us but not them? Frankly the sooner they all piss off the better.

[ILostItInTheEarlyNineties]

I can imagine them clapping themselves on the back in the board room when they realised Queen rhymes with Clean
and it's her bloody birthday!

[jeremyisahunt]

Terrible campaign. It looks like it was designed by a bunch of primary school kids who had had a bit too much sugar.

[Snoopadoop]

I have no problem with 'keep Britain tidy' and campaigns about litter and the like. I hate litter and it annoys me when people do it, to the extent that I usually have a word and/or pick it up myself. But I too am wondering what on Earth the queen has to do with this and think the whole 'clean for the queen' to be very annoying.

[CauliflowerBalti]

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/how-come-youre-not-skiing-ask-william-and-kate-20160307106925

[formerbabe]

Now now peasants. Today we've been treated to some lovely photos of Kate and Will on a skiing holiday...now doesn't that warm the cockles of your heart?

[LurkingHusband]

I know I am but I don't regard myself as such.

Tell it to the judge ...

[BarbarianMum]

Should the Queen ever look like she's popping over our way, I'd be delighted to do a spot of litter picking to welcome her. Then we could have a chat about the library closing, andthe schools being overcrowded and whether she fancies contributing some wealth or influence to help sort things out.

[QueenArseClangers]

Much better idea...

[formerbabe]

I must also add that I wouldn't allow my dc to litter pick regardless of who it's for. I am usually telling my dc not to touch litter they see in the street.

[AnnPerkins]

I'd love to know where these clean for the queen events are taking place...so I CAN AVOID THEM!

I didn't collect DS that day so was spared it but his school had one after school on Friday. It counted towards some green award they're going for, which is why they held it. I doubt they would have otherwise.

[EponasWildDaughter]

Skimmed the article and skimmed the thread.

At one point he says (about people who are put off by the title) ... ''Nor does it cross their minds that the main beneficiaries of Clean for the Queen (www.cleanforthequeen.co.uk) will be ordinary people''

So why sabotage/jeopardize/taint the whole thing by labeling it as ''for the queen?'' Even I could have guessed it would put a good many off. What a lemon.

[AnnPerkins]

I'm not a subject of the Queen,

Oh yes you are ...

I know I am but I don't regard myself as such.

[formerbabe]

I'd love to know where these clean for the queen events are taking place...so I CAN AVOID THEM!

[bigmouthstrikesagain]

Well - not exactly we may not have a codified constitution but in practice we are today more citizen than subject - thanks to uncodified an constitution and general accepted rights and responsibilities we are not serfs.

[CauliflowerBalti]

OrianaBanana - it's about context.

Fair enough but 'The Queen' isn't actually her name (is pedantic). She was christened Elizabeth Alexandra Mary of York. Presumably you can't copyright 'the Queen' as it could refer to any number of queens.

In the context of the campaign and its stated intent to clean things up for Her Majesty the Queen of England's 90th birthday, permission would have needed to be sought both to use her title and to link the activity to her birthday. She can't copyright 'the Queen' - but advertisers can't link her to any commercial activity without her consent, either.

Same with any famous person. I worked on an ad that mentioned Mr Cameron in the headline and No. 10 had to approve it first. There must be thousands of Mr Camerons in the UK. But as it was very clear which one the ad referred to - the newspapers wouldn't run it without permission.

Else brands would just use Kim Kardashian's name on everything to sell shit.

[SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace]

It all feels so horribly retrograde. As though the government are cynically appealing to an appetite they probably know is there, for blitzy-spirited keeping-calm-and-carrying-on, and we'd all like to pretend we're in Call the Midwife or something. No, I'm not cleaning for the fricking queen (or for Kirstie Bloody Allsop).

[LurkingHusband]

I'm not a subject of the Queen,

Oh yes you are ...

[tomatodizzy]

Raising the profile of the littering problem, campaigning to tidy up Britain and making dropping litter socially unacceptable are all laudable aims, I just find using as a motivating factor someone who is not personally affected by or proactively involved in preventing littering is misguided and wrong headed - in my opinion

I agree with this 100% this is my problem with the campaign slogan. Cleaning up Britain needs to be an all day, everyday thing that people want to do for themselves, their communities and their country. Doing it for the Queen's birthday, just isn't the right motivation.

[AnnPerkins]

If it makes some people pick their litter up I don't give a damn what they call it.

It makes me NOT want to do it.

When I saw the posters etc for this campaign I pulled a face and resolved to just ignore it. I've not bothered putting into words why I disliked it so much until now, but that ^ statement has crystallised my view.

I'm a citizen of this country. I keep my country and my environment clean for my sake and my community's. And I encourage DS to do the same.

I'm not a subject of the Queen, I'm not incentivised by slogans exhorting me to clean up the Queen's country for her.

And if her 90th birthday is must be used to improve the country why don't the royal family lead by example? Of course I don't want to see her maj litter-picking at the age of 90. But what about her kids and grandkids? And I don't mean just a few crisp bags in Windsor Great Park for a photo-op. What about Beatrice and Eugenie and co enlisting in community projects and helping to physically improve some parts of the country that really need it. Where they don't usually set foot?

[pigsDOfly]

Well if all the people who are unhappy about living in an unpleasant, littered environment didn't leave their dog shit, fast food wrappers, chewing gum etc on the ground then there would be no need for any sort campaign and the likes of Toby Young wouldn't have to feel sorry for them.

I hate to see mess on the street, which is why I take my rubbish home or put it in a bin, likewise with my dog poo.

And as far as 'cleaning for the queen', sod off with that.

[bigmouthstrikesagain]

Now Clean too Queen might work for some but I would also find an excuse to use my ipod for a better different soundtrack - like the thinking though - so much more creative and INSPIRING

[bigmouthstrikesagain]

I like how the royalist toned posts are centred on the fact that the Queen is marvellous and saves us from toppling into dictatorship rather than the more salient point that is the people that are being asked to tidy and the Queen merely the figurehead/ inspiration. I am pointing out that maybe 'Clean for the Queen' would work in the naice middle class areas with some people and in the Victorian era. But actually it doesn't inspire me.

I hate litter and I do pick up after myself - council tax is paid to provide services for picking up litter that lazy entitled folk can be bothered to dispose of properly. I do volunteer work every week but I don't actually want to pick up other peoples litter, although I do regularly end up doing so. It is unlikely that people who drop litter are going to be inspired to pick rubbish up once a year - and even in the unlikely event that they are so inspired - what about the other 364/5 days of the year when they apparently don't give a toss?

Raising the profile of the littering problem, campaigning to tidy up Britain and making dropping litter socially unacceptable are all laudable aims, I just find using as a motivating factor someone who is not personally affected by or proactively involved in preventing littering is misguided and wrong headed - in my opinion. I am perfectly well educated which is why I find the idea that a constitutional monarch is essential to our democracy pretty wrong headed too - you are totally entitled to think that, but it cannot be presented as fact when it is a disputable opinion.

[tomatodizzy]

Clean to Queen, I'd be on board with that. "And another one bites the dust" we'd have the country sparkling in no time

[ILostItInTheEarlyNineties]

I want to break free.