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To point out the anti-Americanism on Mumsnet?

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PitilessYank · 04/02/2016 15:52

To My Fellow Mumsnetters,

This topic arose on my recent thread about Bernie Sanders, so I decided to start a thread centered around it.

I really enjoy Mumsnet; there is nothing else like it. However, even as a mellow person, and someone whose hackles rarely get raised, I find myself increasingly pissed off by the anti-American schtick around here.

Enough about our mammoth American refrigerators! (Yes, I own one.) It is not our fault that you have imported over-the-top baby showers or bachelorette parties ("hen-dos"). (I didn't have one, for the record, I think that they are dumb.)

Our educational system is very decent, thank you very much. (For one, unless you are talking about NYC, children here are guaranteed a spot in a local school in the town in which they reside. No muss, no fuss.

Also, did you know that the majority of US physicians, of whom I am one, currently support the implementation of a single-payer health care system that provides guaranteed coverage to all? We are working on it, European onlookers!!

The US is like a collection of 50 different small countries horribly lumped together, and change can be slow.

But we got it together on gay marriage! That was pretty impressive. And Bernie Sanders is very popular! That is a good sign. We make good tv shows?? (Yours are great as well, and much more artful, imho.)

And I think we are so nice to you-always gushing about your lovely accents, assuming that you are smarter than we are because of how you talk, even, appreciating your amazing architecture, art, lusting after your sexy princes, etc...

Well, that concludes my rant for now. Thank you for reading it. I feel better. Commence telling me IABU.

With Love,
Pitiless Yank.

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deregistered · 07/02/2016 13:14

I must also say that grammar over here is absolutely not better than in America.

Grammar and language and articulation has gone down the shitter in the UK!

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expatinscotland · 07/02/2016 12:37

Read the whole thread now. I'm from Texas and came here 14 years ago via Colorado. I find it interesting on MN because I have only ever lived in Scotland wrt the UK. The differences are sometimes more marked than others.

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PitilessYank · 07/02/2016 12:33

Ah, Loon, I really breathed a sigh of relief when those grocery store signs started getting corrected over here -that had always irritated me!

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Duckdeamon · 07/02/2016 10:24

When I was in the US (student exchange year) I had a free bus pass! There weren't masses of buses but with timetable it was fine and could get most places, in the day time anyway. T'was fab!

Also agree with OP on the enthusiasm/optimism. At uni at home in the UK people would often make snarky remarks if someone did well on an assignment: in the US they'd be heartily congratulated and invited to study groups!

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TravellingLoon · 06/02/2016 17:34

PitilessYank, your comment Aspects of the U.K. I admire: better grammar

I'm sorry I beg to differ here. I am a Brit living in the US and I think people (where I am anyway) have much better grammar than a lot of Brits. For one thing, your signs in the supermarkets say '10 items or fewer' whereas our say 'less'. Annoys me every time I see it back home, and I have been seriously close at times to writing to Tesco to comment on it!

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ethelb · 05/02/2016 23:38

Bringontgetrumpets that makes me feel a bit sad.

I cant stand aspects of the English/British but I don't see either is shorthand for anything negative.

There's lots to be proud of as a Brit/american! I feel very lucky really. I have the freedom to be cynical about both after all...

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bringonthetrumpets · 05/02/2016 23:06

I'm American (Midwesterner Blush )and I come on Mumsnet to be among Brits! Met a Brit whilst studying aboard, married him and had the first babe over there. We go back to visit family as often as we can. The experience of being able to see America and Americans from a new perspective was so eye-opening and I can say that since we've moved back there isn't a week that doesn't go by where I think to myself "Ugh, I can't stand the American public" (mostly when it comes to things like crappy 'news' coverage, Republicans, crappy insurance and health care, over the top food commercials, never ending drug commercials, super loud obnoxious people, enormous petrol-guzzling trucks being driven everywhere, constant institutional racism, women-bashing, etc. etc. etc) . I can honestly say that I don't get that bristly when I see things being described as "American" in the negative connotation.

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hollowlegs · 05/02/2016 22:50

Can't get my head round your crazy laws.

Everybody has the right to bear arms - resulting in numerous tragic school shootings, in which countless children have tragically lost their lives and
yet
and yet, get this.
You BAN the use of Kinder Chocolate Eggs, because the toys inside the chocolate eggs might pose a risk to children! Shock
people have to go to Canada to purchase a Kinder Eggwtf.
Yes people, Kinder Eggs are banned and against the law in the states because the small parts pose a risk to children google it if you don't believe me
but, it's safe and within the law for everybody to own guns Hmm
Now if that isn't crazybackwards thinking logic.....

However, there are lots of other things that I love about your country.

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PitilessYank · 05/02/2016 22:39

Following along the same lines as ethelb:

Aspects of the U.K. I admire:

The NHS
More use of public transportation, in fact, just more public transportation
Better grammar
More willingness to protest (like your protests against bombing Syria)
BBC Radio/the BBC in general
Milder winters, in general
Wittiness
Less religiosity


Things I appreciate about the US:

Cheeriness
Less pressure on teens around university choices, etc
Housing is more affordable in most areas
The variation among states
The younger generation here is making me feel optimistic-they seem to really "get it" on a fundamental level
My family and friends are here...they keep me going

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MuttonWasAGoose · 05/02/2016 21:37

valentine2 Target shooting can be fun. There are responsible gun owners who love guns and enjoy them. They collect them, talk about them and shoot them. But I don't think that guns are a good thing to have in the general population and it would be better if people didn't have them.

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ethelb · 05/02/2016 19:43

It is there in society. But a half yank i think it has become better.
10 years ago mentioning I had american family would result in a viscous ignorant angry tirade from just about anyone and everyone. Even from self affirmed liberal tolerant individuals, in fact especially from them!
If anything though I think that experience taught me a healthy disregard for certain aspects of our so-called multicultural tolerent society, but made me a happy internationalist at the same time.

On a lighter note if I were to move to the US I would miss:
Irony and pisstaking
Readily available and affordable nice cheese
Women's bodily autonomy taken for granted
Sensibilish elections
Aspects of the NHS

However I wish we had more:
Sensible debate around personal responsibility
Cheap housing and land
Sense of opportunity for the masses and at least a real belief in social mobility
Yummy fresh veg and BIG salads
And lots of lovely warm Americans who are very nice, supportive and genuinely interested in other people!

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Valentine2 · 05/02/2016 18:18

Muttonwasagoose: I was just having fun laughing at so many comments here. Did not want to write something myself. Then saw your comment about guns and became curious . So would you mind elaborate a bit the circumstances in which guns could be fun?

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TheGreatSnafu · 05/02/2016 18:06

Aaaaanddd you said "personal comments" not personal attacks - did I make personal attacks? If I did, please report them for removal.

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TheGreatSnafu · 05/02/2016 18:05

Ok, I don't want to put words in your mouth, you didn't call me a sadist.

I'm sorry for my personal attack/s. I'll report it and see if MN will delete as personal attacks are not allowed.

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PitilessYank · 05/02/2016 17:54

Sure it was personal! So were your comments! But enjoying lambasting someone on-line does not a sadist make. I never suggested that you are a sadist.

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TheGreatSnafu · 05/02/2016 17:51

It wasn't an ad hominem attack, technically speaking, because I wasn't using an attack on your character to argue against your opinion of Howard Stern.

Yes, agreed. But you did ask me if I get satisfaction from labasting you which implies that I am a sadist which is rather personal.

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PitilessYank · 05/02/2016 17:49

I meant it is early here, where I am. You go ahead.

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PitilessYank · 05/02/2016 17:47

It wasn't an ad hominem attack, technically speaking, because I wasn't using an attack on your character to argue against your opinion of Howard Stern.

I don't know much about logical fallacies, but I do know that one.

Seriously, though, no G and T for me, it's still very early in the day! Thanks, though.

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chilledwarmth · 05/02/2016 17:43

Chocolate and alcohol. This keeps getting better.

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NickiFury · 05/02/2016 17:41

Ignorant how? apple. This is my observation. This is the people I have met, MY experience. It's not a judgment or an insistence that this is how ALL Americans are. I have observed this and mulled it over and wondered about it but don't for one second believe that every American feels that way. Did I need to clarify that?

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TheGreatSnafu · 05/02/2016 17:29

Yes, it's ok, PitilessYank, it's very very easy to take things personally and to respond in anger and defensively.

I've done it and I've said some horribly horribly regretful things on MN. (but I've name changed)

Perhaps I overstepped the line.

No biscuits for you. Maybe a nice G&T for us both?

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TheGreatSnafu · 05/02/2016 17:26

Please don't resort to ad hominem attacks against me.

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PitilessYank · 05/02/2016 17:25

Jeez, I am taking some of this stuff a bit more personally than usual!

(mildly regrets starting thread)

BiscuitBiscuitBiscuitfor me

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Roussette · 05/02/2016 17:22
Grin
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