To wonder why people become teachers and not nannies?

[LollyScramble]

We all know that teaching is rewarding -- but also super hard work and can be very stressful.

I am currently looking into hiring a nanny and I am at the cost. You have to find £35-45K for a Central London who may not have any qualifications in particular.

Meanwhile, the average pay for a fully qualified Primary School Teacher is only £24,001 per year!

Why don't all the primary school teachers go and become nannies?! Personally I'd love to hire a former reception teacher who has been highly trained in child development and knows how to cope with 20+ kids at once. She'd find my DC a doddle and she'd get a massive payrise.

What am I missing?!

[madmomma]

My friend is a nanny. She earns £8 an hour. Hardly lucrative

[Blondeshavemorefun]

they are different jobs

im a nanny/maternity nurse and yes if i work full time as a nanny I could earn £41.k gross about £31k nett - tho a lot more as a mn

do i not deserve a good salary?

thats 60hr weeks and works out about £10ph take home £13 ish gross

ive been a qualified nanny for 25yrs (im 42) and have the mnt, as a nanny i will never earn more then i do, ive been at the same wage for roughly 8yrs as hit £13 gross years before my friends and now they have caught up

it does bug me that young nannies and those not qual can earn the same money that i do

tho again they will reliese if still in the same career 10yrs on they wont earn any more

i work hard for my money and get 4 weeks holiday, normally 2 weeks my choice and other 2 weeks at peak time so wont go away then

you could say the same with many jobs, ie nurses get rubbish money, vet assistants

i work with children as i enjoy my job, as sure thats why teachers teach

[StripeyDeckchair]

In London a teacher starting salary is £27.5k with annual incremental increases, they also have a generous employer pension contribution (17%). There are several paths for career progression and development. You work with a group of supportive colleagues and have available a variety of resources, training opportunities and a new class every Sept to teach.

I think likening a teacher to a nanny is insulting to teachers and shows you have little understanding about what they do.

Signed an educational expert (no I'm not a teacher)

[squizita]

Yes - if you left for another job, you'd not get paid a month in hand unless that was how your local authority worked. Mine pays the month you work (so 1st September gets paid 28th September for 28 days and then for the full month thereafter, but if you leave you only get that month's pay, not an extra month in August). So if I left on the 28th July, to start 1st Aug, my next payslip would be from my new job.

[StealthPolarBear]

I'm talking about leaving to work elsewhere. Somewhere youd be in the office on 1st aug

[StealthPolarBear]

If you're not paid for the summer then surely they couldn't prevent you starting work for a new employer on the 1st August.

[squizita]

You usually finish on 30th September and start 1st August ... but employers do terminate on the last day of term.
It's an interesting point as unlike any other role there is zero pay/TOIL equivalent it's "use it or lose it" as it comes up.

If you switch school mid term (eg May was my last new contract) there is never any discussion of time off "earned" for previous work - and of course at my new job I got the same 6 weeks though I'd only been there 2 months! The way it's done is just to roll onward ... of course schools with different length or timed holidays can lead to slight discrepancies but no one notices.

[StealthPolarBear]

If you go off to work a non teaching job they'd pay you at the end of august as usual.
which hours do teachers' August pay relate to then? Because it's either work carried out earlier in the year (so needs paying) or it's for august and they get paid holidays. It simply can't be both.

[squizita]

Yes but you then wouldn't get paid for the next job. You don't get paid twice.

What people mean (which I think is pretty clear) is the long holidays are taken into account when creating an annual wage pro-rata style.

State schools have set ways of making sure no one gets paid twice between school ... They don't want to be paying for nothing. It's not unusual to get a pay-less August if you're not on the ball, but almost unheard of to get double pay.
You'd get a pay slip either from the old or new employer - not both. They make sure between them.

Honestly it's really quite simple.

[Adeleslostbeehive]

Nannies seem to get stuck at a ceiling of earning about £30k. It's rare to earn more than that. Common for teachers to.

[StealthPolarBear]

" contracts are done so they roll from one to the other overnight."

Teaching contracts may be. But if I were a teacher and stopped teaching at end of July then whatever I would have got paid in august (had I stayed) relates to work I've already done. And I'd want paying for that else surely it's illegal withholding of salary

[StealthPolarBear]

So then it isn't the case that teachers holidays are unpaid? They get paid holidays like everyone else? If holidays were unpaid there would be money owing in august surely.

[squizita]

Stealth I am a teacher/school employee of 2 decades, worked across several schools and councils. IT DOES NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY. We don't have moveable 'use it or lose it' holiday days, and contracts are done so they roll from one to the other overnight.

Just think of it as our hourly rate is slightly lower because our holidays are a perk, if that makes it less confusing.

[mercifulTehlu]

I'm a teacher, but don't really want to be one any more (for all the usual reasons) but I'd hate being a nanny! As pp have ssid, they are completely different jobs.

I went into teaching because I loved my subject and am good at explaining things to people and like teaching groups of (secondary age) kids. I like kids, but am not interested in feeding and caring for the mundane daily needs of anyone's children except my own!
They are such different jobs that you might just as well say "I don't know why teachers don't just give up teaching and go and be... well, anything really!"

[StealthPolarBear]

It's almost worth resigning, retraining as a teacher and then resigning just to get the double pay packets. Almost ... :o

[StealthPolarBear]

Squizita because by definition the pay in august is for work already done. Teachers don't get paid for august. So if you resign at end of July to take a non teaching job on 1 Aug, you'd still be owed some money.

[spanieleyes]

Some schools do employ a new member of staff over the summer, usually NQTs in schools where recruitment is difficult. If there is competition for staff, a school might offer the incentive of summer pay to attract staff. There is usually an expectation that such staff would work the last couple of weeks of the summer term and then do planning/lesson prep/class/prep over the summer-as other teachers are expected to do too!

[SuburbanRhonda]

Sorry, spaniel, just saw you said "non-teaching" post.

[SuburbanRhonda]

I don't think many schools would take on a new member of staff at the end of July.

If you stayed in the same LA you would definitely not be paid twice.

[spanieleyes]

Actually, squizita is wrong, if a teacher resigns as from 31 August, they will be paid over the school holiday ( so in July and August) Technically the school could ask you to do some work over the summer but generally all directed time is taken during term time. So you could start another non-teaching post at the end of July and be paid twice for August!

[habibihabibi]

~job~

[habibihabibi]

I'm a teacher who employs a live in nanny. I am creativity simulated by my job and would never dream of doing hers. It's beyond dull now both are at school but she fills all the gaps of family life that would make me stressed and not do my jon properly.

[squizita]

...it's basically easier all round admin wise, than paying us more September-July, and a bit less over Xmas and Easter. Well now a computer could do it, but in the past it obviously was. It's also attractive to employees to have the same amount in every month, even though it's slightly lower.

[squizita]

Stealth No? Why would that be? Teachers don't have to work '1 year' contracts, if they leave then their pay stops, if they start mi year their pay starts.
You'd get paid for July. All Suburban means is that when they budget for teaching wages they decide what they'll pay for, say 200 days work and use that to decide the annual wage. So if you leave in July you don't get paid for your holiday (and yes, you lose out ... which is why if you're wise you will negotiate between 2 heads that there are no 'gaps' when you switch schools, although I've had unpaid summers between jobs as they couldn't afford that ... and some schools now use Sep-July contracts so if they had to cut some cost pronto, they could!).

[StealthPolarBear]

Which must mean if you leave a etching job at end of July and start a new one outside of teaching on 1st August you'd get two payslips for august!