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Snowflake98 · 22/12/2015 19:28

I realise how stupid this is, but have argued with DH and am really not sure if I have been awful. If it has any bearing I am pregnant and have been in and out of hospital with serious complications.

I spent most of today wrapping presents upstairs while DH played with children and watched Christmas movies with them.
I came down when finished, they had all just finished their evening meal, none saved for me. I was a little fed up so DH offered to make me something, I asked for a simple meal but was told it was a waste of ingredients for one person. I told DH not to bother then and went out to kitchen to make toast. DH told me he would do it, I said I was fine. He grabbed the knife in my hand, I refused to let go of it so he yelled at me and grabbed my wrist to force it from my hand. It hurt a lot and I was crying, so I trod on his foot to try and shock him into letting go of me. He swore at me and called me abusive and has stormed out. My wrist hurts but is not marked.

We are both wrong I know, but should I be worried about his temper and grabbing me? This is totally out of character for both of us.

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Lightbulbon · 23/12/2015 13:28

he was hurting me

^^ this is NEVER ok

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OfaFrenchmind2 · 23/12/2015 13:22

YANBU OP, at all.
He grabbed your wrist, hurt you and would not let you go. That's all there is to know about the situation. He was unreasonable and you did what you had to do.

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Jux · 23/12/2015 12:11

There is another slightly worrying thing, Snowflake, and that is that you said he never apologises, "he never really says sorry".

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Epilepsyhelp · 23/12/2015 11:42

He was the one completely in the wrong OP, it's good that he apologised but you absolutely should not have had to and I would be very wary if he only apologised in response. You're pregnant and spent all day wrapping presents, he should have been up and down the stairs checking on you and offering snacks and drinks etc. Utterly twatty to just make food and leave you out. Also shows how much he values you that you're 'not worth' opening the pasta sauce for. Clearly not a budgeting issue like seeyou (I don't think you're unreasonable by the way seeyou I just don't think that is the situation in OPs house)

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iamanintrovert · 23/12/2015 11:28

He was in the wrong.

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VoldysGoneMouldy · 23/12/2015 11:15

I slapped my exP. Hard. Around the face. Whilst wearing a chunky ring - it actually chipped his tooth. I don't regret it at all.

And I did that because he had me by the throat, having thrown me against the wall, squeezing my throat, telling me he would kill me.

If you fight back, you are using reasonable force to defend yourself.

He might not have put your life in danger, OP, but he knew he was hurting you, and didn't care.

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BlackeyedShepherdsbringsheep · 23/12/2015 10:36

he was abusive. he physically hurt you. never acceptable, never your fault.

present wrapping.. did anyone notice op has pregnancy complications that required hospitalisation? quite likely she needs to rest. at least she was doing something while taking it easyish.

beware op. start an exit plan. you may not need it but it is worth it now he has crossed a line and hurt you. he may find that he will do it again. if you are lucky he might not. but I have concerns about him not cooking for you inthe first place and then refusing you your choice. (bet he did nothave toast!) be careful. Flowers

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maybebabybee · 23/12/2015 10:00

Yy Oneflew. Exactly.

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OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 23/12/2015 09:49

I would like to point out that many abusers push their victims into responding physically so they can accuse them of being abusive. E.g. a man backing his wife into a corner and standing over her screaming until she pushes him away.

This may not be relevant to the OP as she said that this is a one off incident, but can posters please consider that acting in self-defence to get out of a scary and potentially dangerous situation is NOT the same as initiating aggression. In this case, stamping on a foot to get someone to let you go is not "just as bad as one another" - it's instinctive self defence and I'm appalled that people would blame the OP in this situation.

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goodnightdarthvader1 · 23/12/2015 09:38

Not sure I'd have stamped on his foot and not sure he'd have grabbed my wrist to try and take over

You got the order of events the wrong way round here.

OP, I'm a little worried it appears you had to apologise first. And did he explain why the fuck he grabbed your wrist so hard?

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FuckYouChristmasAndThatClaus · 23/12/2015 09:31

It makes me very sad to see so many people posting with no care whatsoever for the pregnant op's safety or wellbeing.

This is one of the reasons I had to take a break from MN.

I would be disgusted with myself, if there was any chance that my post endangered someone.

Some people are so desperate to offer a contentious point of view, they forget there's a vulnerable woman posting.

I'm so glad that voices of reason appeared after the initial "you're as bad as each other" and "why were you wrapping for so long?" Rubbish.

If someone physically hurts you and refuses to stop hurting you, if you respond physically (within reason) that is understandable. That is literally the definition of self defence.

I very much hope no one on here ever finds themselves with that choice.

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RudeElf · 23/12/2015 09:16

Turning it on its head a bit- the op had a knife in her hand and was being arsey to her dh over a meal. Is it possible that he grabbed her wrists to restrain her as he felt threatened?
He has prevented her from hurting him with a weapon.

We only have the ops version here.

If someone who is angry with you grabs a knife and you feel it is a threat or danger then common sense tells you to back off and leave the room. If safety is your concern of course Hmm you dont try and wrestle it off them!

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Crazybaglady · 23/12/2015 06:52

Hope youre feeling better today Flowers

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maybebabybee · 23/12/2015 06:39

Fucking hell, cannot believe some of the attitudes on this thread. I am pregnant and if my DP grabbed me while holding a knife and shouting at me I can assure you I would absolutely be stamping on his foot to get him away from me! It's called self defence ffs!!!

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HicDraconis · 23/12/2015 06:35

For a moment I wondered if Seeyou was my DH - but then I saw the meal planner and ours isn't nearly that pretty. We have a 3 week meal plan cycle which has the appropriate spreadsheet for shopping each week - it keeps the bills down, it means DH knows which meat to get out of the freezer the night before, it means either DH cooks while I'm at work or I cook (meal plan designed around amount of time each of us has in the evening to cook a meal). Occasionally we have "freezer forage" dinner for leftovers but not often, because we stick to the plan and we factor in leftovers for some nights.

I can also see how it would have gone in this house (and has done once, when I pushed DH too far and he physically shoved me away from the cooktop - having never done anything remotely like that before or since!) being very similar to Seeyou's story - I'd have come down, felt aggrieved that there was no meal for me (and probably fairly passive-aggressively commented), DH would have felt defensive and would have offered to get me something, I'd have said "No, I'll get it" in a "you complete arsebiscuit thoughtless person" tone of voice and it would have spiralled. Not sure I'd have stamped on his foot and not sure he'd have grabbed my wrist to try and take over, but then I didn't think he'd shove me out of the kitchen once either. It has never happened to us before or since, we have one of the closest, most loving and respectful relationships I know and we talked about it, chalked it up to experience and moved on.

I hope you can do the same, OP - and I hope you guys have a great Christmas :)

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Clare1971 · 23/12/2015 00:26

OP it sounds to me as if you have a much better handle on this than most of the posters. You have been with DH for 20 years. I'm guessing you know if he is abusive or not. Of course he was wrong to grab you but if it was out of character then he was probably as shocked as you were. Have a lovely Christmas and look after yourself.

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RhiWrites · 23/12/2015 00:18

This thread is terrifying. Thank goodness for Jeanne, the first voice of reason.

This is not a 50/50 blame situation. This is the husband laying down the law about what it's worth his pregnant wife being allowed to eat and then physically hurting her.

The replies here are shocking. Mumsnet and AIBU wasn't like this six months ago. What's going on?! Confused

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Mmmmcake123 · 22/12/2015 23:52

Goodnightdarthvader, I have absolute sympathy for OP but obviously I didn't make that clear enough to be understood by all.
I do not and never will condone any violence. In my previous post I suggested to OP that she make it clear that actions that occurred tonight should never be repeated, if dh apologises, to me that is not enough. This is a warning about possible future behaviour and I thought I made that clear.
OP I am glad you are putting it behind you (it was obvious to some, but clearly not all that it was a butter knife), however clutching your wrist til it hurt is still extremely wrong).
Times are stressful for both of you but he needs to understand basic clear boundaries and be warned that you will not stand for anything less.
Good luck and Cake

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NeedsAsockamnesty · 22/12/2015 23:16

I've lived on a pittance - please do not assume that the people on here have never lived a life

I did not assume anything. You were pretty scathing towards seeyou I was only pointing out that perhaps he may be subscribing to some of the methods used by many crisis budget planners which in a nutshell tend to consist of plan incredibly well use reduced produce where possible and choose order carefully.


However the OP had a jar of sauce in the cupboard. There is no way she is not worthy of eating half of it, and putting the rest in the fridge. Or are you saying she isn't worth it? I did not even imply anything of the sort I was soley commenting on your remarks towards seeyou because I thought they were quite unkind.

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Seeyounearertime · 22/12/2015 23:08

That's good news OP.

If you ever need help meal planning...... Grin

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Snowflake98 · 22/12/2015 23:04

Just to say, I was holding the knife to butter my toast, I was not brandishing it about at all. I love my DH (although like him a little less right now) of course I wouldn't do anything to endanger him.

The present wrapping - yes I had lots of fiddly stocking bits to do, I probably am a bit slow and also I am a bit ocd about them being done nicely. I didn't check out of family life though, I am preparing Christmas for my family and my DH and kids were having fun playing games and watching films.

To Update, he came home and went off on own for a while, then I apologised and so did he. Thank you all for your support/advice tonight. We are both prepared to let it go and move on and have a nice Christmas.

At least the wrappings done...

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Seeyounearertime · 22/12/2015 22:58

honeysucklejasmine

Every Mel is prepared to the taste of my health conscious GF, chocolate loving DD and easy going me. In fact my GF often finds recipes shed like me to cook and I source the ingredients and portion control them to take into account calorific necessity and taste.
I'm not in the frugal threads, but I do read them, there's some proper experts over there, I'm merely an amateur. Grin

Anywho, I hope OP comes back and let's us all know what's happening.

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FuckYouChristmasAndThatClaus · 22/12/2015 22:57

I completely agree with Jeanne.

Snowflake, AIBU isn't the place for this thread. Too many people pile in looking to find fault, when what you need is support.

If I were you I would report my op and ask MN to move this thread to Relationships.

Flowers he had no right to lay a hand on you, and trying to get someone to let go when they are hurting you, is nothing more than self defence.

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honeysucklejasmine · 22/12/2015 22:51

Seeyou You clearly run a tight ship, budget wise! I am going to hazard a guess that this situation wouldn't arise in your home because you would not have budgeted for, bought and prepared a meal your GF did not like. (Btw are you on the frugal threads? Sounds like you know how to do some serious money saving. Will be reading those avidly soon when mat leave starts!)

OP I hope you are feeling OK enough to sleep. You definitely need to talk it through with him, so he can apologise.

Btw, I don't understand the "checked out of family life" comments or the sneering about how long you spent wrapping presents. Wrapping is a chore. Done on behalf of the household for the benefit of the entire extended family. It's not like you left to go to a spa with no warning ffs.

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littledrummergirl · 22/12/2015 22:31

Turning it on its head a bit- the op had a knife in her hand and was being arsey to her dh over a meal. Is it possible that he grabbed her wrists to restrain her as he felt threatened?
He has prevented her from hurting him with a weapon.

We only have the ops version here.

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