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AIBU?

To think that if I've found stuff that helps me sleep, doing them is not being 'obsessed' and 'dependent'?

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murmuration · 05/12/2015 12:29

I've had insomnia for decades. It would take me 1-2 hrs to fall asleep, then I'd wake up around 3-4am and watch the clock slowly tick by to my 6am wake up, or if I was lucky, nearly so and get 10-15 minutes sleep right beforehand. I was always sleep deprived and could sleep in well past noon on weekends at times, the only thing that enabled me to keep going.

Over the past few years I've slowly found a number of things that have improved my sleep considerably, to the extent that I am getting a good 6-7 hours a night! It's bliss, and I love it! I still wake up around 3-4am, but only for 10 minutes or so rather than that being the end of the sleep.

But now I'm getting flack for doing these things - I don't think it's too much. I meditate for 15 minutes sometime after I put DD to bed, I wear blue-light blocking glasses for 2 hours before my bedtime, and I have a warm bath right before I go to sleep. If I don't some of these, my sleep is worse, although it usually takes several days of doing none of them to return to my previous insomniac pattern. But I can tell specific things, like if I don't wear the glasses I tend to take much longer to fall asleep, etc.

But DH says that I have an 'excessive routine' and am 'obsessed' about making sure I do these things (I do like to do them, it helps me sleep! I like sleep!). He says I'm getting 'dependent' on them - but I don't understand how I can be getting dependent on something when they improved my quality of life and all removing them does is let my quality of life drift (slowly) back to what it was before.

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PhoenixReisling · 05/12/2015 19:37

Smile. Nod. And wave Grin

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PhoenixReisling · 05/12/2015 19:39

shiny Flowers

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BigChocFrenzy · 05/12/2015 20:02

YNBU at all.
Your routine sounds very sensible, but your DH doesn't.
Adequate sleep is essential for physical and psychological health. He should be happy you have found a routine that works for you.

It is recommended to avoid all electronic gadgets for at least 1 hr before bed, because of the blue light. So, that is what you are achieving with your glasses, as an alternative to switching off TV, games etc for that time

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murmuration · 05/12/2015 20:05

formerly, yes, although it seems it more because he doesn't see the point - for example, I try to clean the house every week, one day for kitchen, one day for sitting room, etc. This is hard for me due to my CFS/ME, and he sees this and says, "Don't clean if you feel bad." This is how he deals with his fatigue. But the problem is that I might feel bad, but I can spend 20 minutes cleaning the kitchen that day with a only a small struggle. If I wait a week, I can't manage the now 35 minutes it would take to get two weeks of grime away. I know this, and so avoid getting to a state where I need to make myself sick to clean things, I just do little bits. (He's much worse than me, so can't do the cleaning, although he does help with hoovering when he has a bit of energy; he's meant be hiring a cleaner but there are a lot of other things on his list of things to do and I actually do like cleaning so have stopped bugging him about it). Anyway, I get the feeling he is frustrated with me for making myself feel a tiny bit bad now to avoid feeling really bad in the future. He never does that -- but when he feels really bad he can just lie down, I have to pace myself so I can go to work!

rain, perhaps there is something to that, although the major problems seem to be we never feel well at the same time. We actually gotten into a fair fequency (given we have a 3yo), but then he got depressed about Paris and hasn't been interested since :( I do interact, but I don't want to sit down and discuss in depth a bunch of things, which is what he seems to want to do. I'm now trying harder to get him to open up before I get in the bath, and we have had some discussions.

I did used to take sleeping pills, and it took forever to find something that worked. I needed perscription ones, and the only that worked was highly addictive. Since I'm off that, which was quite hard (that was a good 15 years ago now), I don't want to go back.

Flowers shiny - it's really hard, isn't it. The glasses and meditation have helped me most -- and I took a lot of advice from the 'Sleep' pack in Headspace about tiny things in the rest of my day, which was helpful.

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murmuration · 05/12/2015 20:06

bigchoc - that's why I got them! I read about that, but I like to watch adult TV with DH after DD goes to bed. Then I read stuff about the glasses, and found cheap ones on amazon, and they've been a real help.

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IonaNE · 05/12/2015 20:17

OP, I can see your point (though I've never had insomnia). But in a way I can also see your DH's - essentially it means that when you have embarked on your bedtime routine, you're like a rocket launched: there is no way to deter you from your course. So essentially from the moment you put on the glassees there is no chance of having an on-the-spur-of-the-moment anything, even just conversation in bed lying together. Some people do find this difficult.

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kalidasa · 05/12/2015 20:17

Do you think maybe it makes him feel guilty that he's not more organised/proactive about dealing with his own insomnia? I think his annoyance is so irrational that it must really be about him, not actually you at all; or possibly he is expressing his irritation over this one thing as a proxy for a much bigger issue between you (perhaps he finds the way you keep to a routine in general annoying? Or could this be to do with the fact that you're working and he isn't? Because for most people having a fairly fixed daily routine has a lot to do with the commitments of work). Or maybe he secretly thinks your routine is a way to avoid spending more time with him? It sounds v irritating though.

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TooOldForGlitter · 05/12/2015 20:21

It's thoroughly disturbing how many people are trying to make excuses for this selfish arse of a man and suggesting the OP tweaks her routine to please him. Did I really read a suggestion that she should be less obvious about the glasses she wears? Now of course we need to consider if the poor man is getting enough sex. God I could throw up.

OP do what works for you to help you sleep and tell him to fuck off and mind his own business. If your partner is so selfish and petty that he seeks to stop you getting a good nights sleep then I'd consider the relationship in its entirety.

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CerseiHeartsJaime4ever · 05/12/2015 20:25

He sounds a little like my Mum. She has a long term condition similar to ME, that she does nothing to help, and in fact she does a lot which exacerbates it. But that is "her lot in life" and she has to "soldier on" and would rather take drugs than change her lifestyle.

She gets very annoyed when people do things she can't or have things she doesn't, and puts down whatever the thing is that they are doing/have. Could it be that he see's you getting a little better and feels sad that he is in the same position as he always was?

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PirateSmile · 05/12/2015 20:25

Why would you decide to stop doing something which is completely harmless that helps you to sleep? I would carry on as you are OP.

Can I recommend to everyone who struggles to get to sleep the ASMR clips on YouTube. They are fantastic at getting me to drift off.

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FormerlyKnownasFK · 06/12/2015 20:55

Your approach to the housework sounds quite sane. Your approach to your health sounds quite sane. Pacing, little and often, non - medicated ways of helping with symptoms and sleep.

He sounds resentful of you dealing with your health issues in a more positive way than he is. His choice, but no excuse for making you feel bad.

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ilikebaking · 06/12/2015 21:02

My DH says your DH is a dick.

I was like you, and now I have an routine too. And frequently it involves me going to bed at 7.30pm for an hours meditation before I drop off. Has he ever complained? Nope.

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HitchFlix · 08/02/2021 02:34

Ah people who try to sabotage insomniacs really haven't a clue! YANBU OP. He should be supporting you, sleep is so so important to wellbeing. Keep doing as you're doing! Glad it's working for you. Sleep deprivation is utter torture.

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dontgobaconmyheart · 08/02/2021 04:03

Why does he even get a say in this OP? It doesn't sound like a big deal or harmul, I can't see what about it affects him other than he doesn't fancy you so much in your glasses (dickhead) and thinks that you exist for him to approve of and fancy as he deserves as a male misogynist, probably for the same reason he would also prefer you didn't demonstrate you can help yourself, and would prefer you showing deference and helplessness so wants you to do what he says and stop doing those things.

He sounds pathetic really. What sort of person wants someone they care about to stop doing normal and harmless activities that vastly improve their physical and mental health? nobody healthy IMO.

Insomnia is awful OP, from me at 4am up with it I would ignore him if i weren't leaving him, perhaps you would get even more sleep without him burdening you and making you feel bad.

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Mincingfuckdragon2 · 08/02/2021 04:25

I'm assuming your DH likes eating everyday. That he can skip the odd meal here or there if there's a reason to, but wouldn't feel too good if he went several days without eating anything. Perhaps your DH is obsessed with, and dependent on, food?

This. I know it was a bit tongue in cheek but sleep, like food, is essential. That he (a) can't see that and (b) is happy to have a go at you about the (moderate, appropriate, non-invasive) steps you are taking to help yourself is concerning - especially as you are flexible when necessary.

He can fuck right off. Honestly, I'm cross on your behalf.

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AnitaB888 · 08/02/2021 04:38

I think it's time for separate beds OP - in separate rooms.

My husband snores, grinds his teeth and talks nonsense in his sleep (loudly) so in the end I had to move into the guest bedroom. I couldn't stand not getting a decent nights sleep.

It works a treat !

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echt · 08/02/2021 05:38

Having RTFT: OP, your DH needs to fuck right off. None if it is any of his business.

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EngelbertsRumpispink · 08/02/2021 06:09

I wonder if OP and her DH are still married,
after five years...

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