to be sick of Institutional sexism in the UK (Honours List)

[TalkinPeace]

Why does Hilary Mantel have to be identified by her married name?

Why do all of the women, no matter what their achievements have to be identified by their marital status?

There are many more "ms" this year - who are clearly the none of your business brigade

But Why oh Why do the media accept the list in this discriminatory form?
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/319881/Birthday_Honours_2014_List.pdf

[TillyTellTale]

Well, it's the Birthday Honours. Wikipedia: The United Kingdom passed legislation to establish gender-blind succession in 2013 but delayed implementation until the 15 other countries which share the same monarch effect similar changes in their succession laws.

2013! And we still have to wait until all the other Commonwealth realms have got time to pass new legislation. As the new third in line, the Cambridges' cutey-pie, is male, I don't expect they'll be placing it as a high priority thing. It could be years before that's sorted out.

If a female elder child can't inherit the throne over her younger brother, you're on a hiding to nothing with allowing women to keep maiden names when they're awarded an honour!

[Minnieisthedevilmouse]

If be more interested if the participants were moaning about it. Not heard a thing? Finding it hard to care as an observer...? And I like the awards etc so thought this would interest me.

[ICanSeeTheSun]

Things like this have historical links for future generations.

[ComposHat]

To be honest anyone who accept a trinket from the Royal Family given in the name of the Empire has already compromised themselves in so many ways and tacitly bought into a whole load of imperialist nonsense that they shouldn't be surprised that it is deeply sexist too: 'outmoded and anachronistic award is outmoded and anachronistic shock'

As a soon to complete PhD student, I did purse my lips when Hilary Mantel was described as Dr Mantel when she only has an honorary Doctorate. Bloody fly by nights.

[nameequality]

Using their husband's first name initial is awful - complete erasure of their identity.

[nameequality]

Take a look at this Wimbledon female players shown as Mrs J Bloggs J being Joe!

Surely not all these players changed their name?

[meditrina]

The legal document is the actual certificate itself.

The 'list' is exactly that, a list of the names of the people who are gong to receive the award (and supporting legal document).

In all nations of UK, your "legal" name is one you go by provided there is no intention to defraud. So no matter how irksome others may find it, as long as the recipient uses either/both names then is nothing illegal, nor even inaccurate, here. Nor is there discrimination, as everyone is receiving the award, not matter how they are styled (and it's not hugely clear if your style is part of your legal name anyhow).

[BloominNora]

The official honors list is a legal document though isn't it? Therefore if Hilary Mantel is known as Hilary Mcewen in a legal sense on the electoral register and council tax bill then it should be listed.

if she does not use her married name legally, the I presume it wouldn't be there.

[MardyBra]

YANBU. They probably think they're following some sort if etiquette. But actually it's ruder to discriminate against women than to list them without a title.

[Longtalljosie]

Listed there for Hilary Mantel it speaks for itself. Hilary Mantel, award winning author and Someone's Wife. It needs booting back to the C19.

[nameequality]

YANBU I just saw your post on the other surname thread and started one just like this but I've linked over to here.

I want to know if eg Hilary Mantel knew she would be shown like this.

Do a FoI to see if they make this clear/if there is an option

[TalkinPeace]

THe only woman I've spotted so far with NO title is the lady from the army in Aldershot

FFS
why can women not choose to just have their name listed

PS
I feel VERY strongly about this because I use my maiden name for work.
DH did not help me through my accountancy exams - he has his own life
if I were to get a gong, his name would be listed.
Why?

[OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat]

It's infuriating, and so ingrained. I can't see anything changing in our lifetimes .

Some women are on the list with no reference to whether they are married, for example Prof Sarah Cleaveland, which contrasts with Dr Mantel, who is also listed as Mrs McEwan.

But on skimming the list, I can see any women who are not doctors or professors or otherwise titled not listed as Miss Mrs or Ms, whereas there are plenty of untitled men.

I wonder if this unfair treatment of women flouts any EU equality legislation?

[EdithWeston]

It surely cannot be that difficult to let those (of both sexes) receiving honours decide for themselves which (if any) style they use.

I seems very strange to me to go for "Edith, Mrs Weston" when that's simply not a current usage.

[Littleturkish]

People need to click the link to see what OP is talking about.

No need for any title unless doc or prof

[ballsballsballs]

YANBU. If a woman is awarded an honour her marital status (or ownership) should be irrelevant.

[PhaedraIsMyName]

Did they include Daniel Day-Lewis' "once dumped a pregnant partner by fax" status?

[TalkinPeace]

Kathleen Burdon School of Dance,
But Kathleen is listed as also being Mrs Baird ....

why?
what has Mr Baird to do with her school of dance?

[TalkinPeace]

Hilary Mantel is listed under her married name ....

I do not care WHAT name people use : but let them just have that name

Jennifer Maureen, Mrs Abbott
Peter James Beardmore

why does Jennifer's marital status get shown, when Peter's does not?
Why is the format of women's names changed depending on their status
FFS
just list their names - the name they want to be listed by
and get rid of all non earned tittles

[CoffeeTea103]

Bucking ham palace? That made me laugh too! The things people make themselves sick over