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to despise MIL because of all this? LONG

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22honey · 08/02/2014 19:13

This may be long. To put it short, I've never thought much of future MIL as a mother. She has been an alcoholic her entire life, never takes responsibility for anything (got 2 dogs for the kids when they were young, when kids moved out said she didnt want them and left them to rot in her house while she went out getting pissed, barely fed them, never walked them and when we moved in they were a state which I had to sort out, feeding and walking them everyday, as an animal lover this infuriated me!), never worked, had loads of kids and just sat on benefits her whole life having pissheads in her house drinking. She encourages OH's brother to drug deal and has even tried it with OH in the past. She is extremely emotionally immature, passive aggressive and needy. She relies on her kids emotionally and plays silly mind games and gives the silent treatment if they dont bend to her whims. Me and OH are in our early 20s and expecting our first baby.

To put it blunt, she dragged DP and his brothers and sisters up. She goes out getting drunk all day then comes home at night passive aggressively ranting about rubbish. We lived at hers for a while, we were manipulated to moving in as MIL was never there (she was busy at the time living with pregnant SIL and her BF trying to interfere in their relationship) and we were of the opinion we'd be staying here alone. This is what we were told, and we gave up stupidly our own nice rented house to move here. Obviously that changed and MIL came back, brought another SIL who has serious emotional and addiction problems (this is what Il eventually get onto) with her and turned the house into a pisshead's drunk den even having the cheek to invite two strange blokes over for a few days to get drunk whilst I HAD NO BEDROOM DOOR! OH was absoloutely furious but the control freak MIL is he was told he now doesnt have a say despite being told when we moved here it would be like our house. Again it was just one of MIL's manipulation tactics to get OH to move home so she could try and get him to pander to all her emotional needs.

Before anyone says it I am grateful despite the fact in 30 years her run down council house has never been refurbished or had anything done to it, is an utter craphole like a doss house and the entire house hasnt ever had any flooring. No bedroom doors were on the house since DP was a teenager- MIL thinks this is normal! She also thinks its normal to have a doors open to anyone policy which is utterly awful and chaotic to live with.

She has treated me with a lot of passive aggressive disrespect whilst I have been at hers, she sat on my dog squashing it whilst drunk and refused to move, she is always coming out with pathetic comments like to shoot my cat even though she said we could bring the pets here!! I honestly cannot stand to be around her.

She is a nightmare and DP agrees, such as she tries to make it a competition between me and her and puts DP on the spot such as for example if there is tea being made DP will always bring me mine first (he puts me first in everything!) and his mother sits there and goes 'Oh is it favouritism now!' and 'So she comes before your own mother!' and each time DP has to be in the situation of saying 'Yes, she comes first everytime'. I too feel awkward given the look on MIL's face when she has to be told.

However, the reason I hate her runs much deeper, something I only found out about 3 months ago. Now don't get me wrong, I have sympathy for MIL and know she has had a bad time in life. But IMO there is just no excuse ever for this. Basically oldest SIL whos in her 30s was sexually abused by her GF from being 5 years old. This came about because MIL left her in his care alone whilst she WENT OUT GETTING DRUNK. Now, of course if MIL hadnt known her father was a dangerous paedophile this would have been different but MIL knew full well because years later when SIL finally spoke up about it (he went to prison for it eventually) all MIL could do was play the victim and say 'it happened to me' whilst crying and trying to gain sympathy (it also happened to her siblings however none of them were so irresponsible and selfish as to leave their kids with the guy). Well I'm sorry but is that any excuse for not taking responsibility for your own child and leaving them alone with someone you knew was a violent paedophile for years just so you COULD GET DRUNK?

SIL is in a really bad way emotionally, mentally, she is incredibly ill and tbh probably won't live till 45. MIL takes no responsibility whatsoever and when SIL has tried to talk to her she merely plays the victim that it happened to her. Well yes, I am sorry for that truly but that doesnt negate the fact YOU were the adult with the responsibility of protecting your child and you didn't do that because you wanted to go out socializing. It makes me utterly sick tbh.

Im sorry but AIBU for really hating MIL for this and thinking she is truly the epitome of a shockingly awful mother? I havnt said this to DP as dont want to upset him and he already knows I dont like his mother. He was brought up to never question or criticize his mother (no wonder given how truly awful she is!) and I can tell he feels guilty when he has too and it makes him angry. DP only found out about SIL etc when I did. It was hidden from him and only him (hes the youngest) his entire life, and the bitter side of me just thinks so he'll go on thinking MIL is a bloody saint which she is far from.

Not to mention MIL has no self awareness whatsoever and seems to think shes the best mother in the world because she spat out loads of kids and amazingly they all made it to adulthood. Well yes she did but she did a shocking job bringing them all up, never did anything whatsoever to try and improve any of their lives and merely wallowed in self pity her entire life expecting her kids to pick up the pieces. I would rather take advice from someone who had less kids but actually did a decent job of bringing them up.

I could go on forever about how awful, sly and manipulative she is but this is getting long now. Am I wrong for despising MIL for all this and feeling I don't want her having too much contact with my child when its born?

MIL is also always bitching about all her kids partners behind their back, she hates that anyone else has taken their attention off her. She is also the kind of person who does little 'favours' for people due to having ulterior motives and wanting you to feel you are in debt to her. Her behaviour is not normal for a mid 50s woman.

She is really unsuitable but I dont want to offend DP saying she can't look after the child alone when its born, but tbh I really dont want her too. He knows she is a nightmare and is an alcoholic but I think it hurts him, he has a hard time critisizing her and will make excuses for her when he can (which isnt often as her behaviour is so awful and plain to see manipulative and immature). She sees all her kids and grandkids as an extension of herself rather than their own people and DP and his siblings have several noticeable character flaws due to being brought up in her chaotic, alcoholic household. I will add MIL and FIL arnt together anymore, she hates him and slates him as a father (she is no better!). He is a heroin addict but is a nice man in general and isnt in denial like she is and doesnt encourage his kids to drug deal and never work like she does.

MIL's victim mentality mindset has really brainwashed most of her kids all through the years, the mindset inflicted on them is that their mother can do no wrong, is to be absolved from all criticism and it there to be looked after like a baby. DP quite frankly is sick of it and the chaos and we can't wait to move out.

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22honey · 09/02/2014 01:05

Yes, MIL is on long term sick benefits.

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22honey · 09/02/2014 01:04

MIL went and stayed on the couch at SIL's house for the whole 9 months of her pregnancy and a month after the birth. During this time her house and dogs were left to rot so we moved in to sort it out to be our house as MIL said she was going to pass the tenancy over to DP. This never materialized as she was kicked out of her daughters house for interfering in their relationship and their parenting so went back to her house.

We should never have moved here and we know it!

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22honey · 09/02/2014 01:00

Because she has had a long running claim for HB (the rules are since 1996) on the same property she is exempt from bedroom tax. We merely filled up another bedroom she was getting for free anyway. No it didn't affect her HB but we did have to pay council tax.

I will add there was no TV no aerial on the roof, nothing when we moved here. It was really like a shithole doss house. Me and DP had to sort all sorts out including getting a door on the bedroom and a bit of carpet down.

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Custardo · 09/02/2014 00:48

if she is drinking all day i presume she doesn't have a job
she claims benefits?

If so, when you moved in, if your dh works, this should have affected her benefits if you were honest about it

but she moved out for a bit and you thought you had the house to yourselves - as in subletting, whilst HB paid for a house for the MIL ? just asking

presuming you were up front with the DWP Hmm when you move out in two weeks this will mess her benefits up won't it

and i presume that as she has a spare room for you and your dh, that she is facing a cut in HB becuase of the bedroom tax

therefore, i would advise that you do absolutely move out, but you may have to think about supporting her in keepng her tenancy and in putting in claims for what she is entitled to - or downsizing so she can get HB which covers rent.

I say this, as i presume that in the not too distant future, when she gets evicted, she will be looking to live with someone else, and that might be you

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22honey · 09/02/2014 00:44

Yes I agree and the point wasn't about who has had the hardest time. Yes, some people are just too weak to overcome their own problems in order to be a good parent. I know this already and it doesnt mean MIL doesnt love her kids (I know she does!). It still doesnt change the fact she isn't a good mother and doesn't absolve her of the responsibility to be one if she chooses to have children.

But again just because someone cannot rise above their own problems doesn't make them immune to criticism and needing handling with kid gloves. MIL has showed complete disregard to me and my feelings the entire time I've ever been in her presence. Just because you've been abused doesnt give you the right to treat other people like crap, put children at risk etc. No way does it.

Either way, in my world being abused makes you want to protect your children from the same more. I find it extremely sinister it never made MIL feel the same way, to the point she'd leave her child with her abuser so she could satisfy her own impulses.

Tbh I have always been shocked DP and his siblings wern't taken into care. DP actually knows this aswell.

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22honey · 09/02/2014 00:33

And thank you vegetarians, I actually dont have a problem with MIL visiting my child at my house, or me and dp taking the baby to see her. I am not comfortable with her having my child alone and DP knows this and has accepted it, I think he is going to be rather perplexed and stressed about how to break this news to her.

BIL's OH and mother to DP's niece allows very limited contact where MIL can only take the little girl out at important times eg. Christmas to do something constructive and childlike (like Santas Grotto). MIL is under strict instruction not to drink, she took the child to the pub when she was a baby! MIL was actually calling other DIL a slag the other day and slating her because she had denied MIL to have the girl at her house after school.

They only live down the street and I cannot be bothered with this sort of thing so will be moving to the next town so MIL can't cause problems by demanding access to my child then slating me to everyone when she doesnt get her own way. MIL is incredibly emotionally unstable, is drinking everyday, sits with other drunks all day and is oblivious to why her other DIL only allows limited contact. Shes completely in denial.

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WilsonFrickett · 09/02/2014 00:30

You have clearly done amazingly in overcoming the issues in your life. DMIL has not. But thats down to the luck of the draw - do you know what I mean? It doesn't take away from your own achievements to recognise someone else simply wasn't capable of dealing with the shit that was fund their way. Hard is just hard - there is no hierarchy IMO.

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22honey · 09/02/2014 00:23

forgiving* I mean.

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22honey · 09/02/2014 00:23

Wilson I do know that and have thought about. I was very forgiveble about all MILs failings before I knew what happened. I know she has had a hard life, its just frustrating how its affected her kids and she hasn't ever tried to change anything. My post is ranty because I needed to sound off after putting up with all this for a while. I am also hormonal atm!

I was abused myself and have had a hard time mentally and have had to work hard interpersonally so I can live the life I need to and be a good mother to my future children. I have every sympathy for MIL and have said I dont blame her for wanting to drink. Its the complete lack of responsibility and playing the helpless martyr that has affected her kids particularly SIL so profoundly that gets too me. Its that she puts herself before her kids. I've been abused and had issues because of it but I dont struggle putting my pets before myself nevermind my children.

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WilsonFrickett · 08/02/2014 23:37

I absolutely think you are doing the right thing in movng away and never giving her contact with your baby. You are 100% right in your actions there.

However I do feel you should try and find a little compassion for someone who was abused and as a direct result of that abuse became an alcoholic. Just look back at your posts about her. Her life is shit.

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VegetariansTasteLikeChicken · 08/02/2014 23:23

Way too long. What is with all these ridiculously long first posts lately?

What did you expect by the word long in the title? Confused or was even the title too long for you to get through!?

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VegetariansTasteLikeChicken · 08/02/2014 23:22

She is really unsuitable but I dont want to offend DP saying she can't look after the child alone when its born, but tbh I really dont want her too.

I would make it clear to your partner that leaving your child alone with her ever is grounds for you leaving him. Say it once. Mean it. And leave the argument there.

Secondly, do not bring your baby to this woman's house, if there are drugs and shady people about it isn't safe for him or her to be there. Make it clear to both your partner and your MIL that she is welcome to visit (if she is on good behaviour) but you will not be visiting her.

If she can't maintain this or acts vile to you in front of your child, fuck her, you don't speak to her.

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MadAsFish · 08/02/2014 23:08

Way too long. What is with all these ridiculously long first posts lately?

So don't read it then.

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22honey · 08/02/2014 23:08

And oh yes its been made clear from the start MIL is not allowed anywhere near me giving birth. I only want my DP there and my mother and sister there to see the baby after. Midwives will be under strict instructions MIL cannot come in. DP is not bothered one bit and says the whole thing is up
to me as I'm the one giving birth.

MIL cannot complain anyway as it was only several months ago she was at the birth of SIL's baby!

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MadAsFish · 08/02/2014 23:06

Go far, far away. Never leave your baby with this woman.

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22honey · 08/02/2014 23:02

Inertia yes the GF was prosecuted when after about 5 years SIL spoke up. Went to jail for about 7 years I think :/ After that obviously no one in the family had anything to do with him. They dont know if hes dead now or what. DP never knew anything about him.

None of this had anything to do with FIL who isnt oldest SIL's bio dad and also had the fact the GF was a paedophile hidden from him until obviously the GF was prosecuted.

Luckily when me and OH live anywhere else except right on MILs front lawn she never visits, thank god! We never visited specifically MIL either but youngest SIL and MIL would always be there as she is so attached to her grown adult kids.

MIL only visited us at our own place once on my DPs 21st birthday, prior to and after that she never visited ever in several years and made it clear to DP in our first house she wasnt going to visit because we were nearer to my mother than her (she was very sulky and tried emotionally blackmailing DP about this at the time but he didnt give two hoots! :) )

DP would usually visit her on his own for about an hour every couple of weeks. MIL hates this and thinks her kids should want to be around her 24/7 despite the fact they are all adults that have their own lives.

Yes I cannot wait to move away from MIL, I regret living here as before I was oblivious to how awful she is! They do say you never know someone properly until you live with them.....:)

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Sharaluck · 08/02/2014 22:33

Yanbu

Move far away from them.

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MidniteScribbler · 08/02/2014 22:26

Let it go, move out, and have no further contact with her. Concentrate on your own new family and stop wasting your emotional energy on her.

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Quoteunquote · 08/02/2014 22:11

Move far away, and don't tell her where you have gone.

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Inertia · 08/02/2014 21:47

For the sake of your child, it's vitally important that you don't allow any unsupervised contact with MiL - I would go so far as to say that it isn't going to be safe to go to her house. For me, all contact would need to be in a neutral public place.

Was the GF ever prosecuted? Presumably he is not involved with the family now?

I think I would probably talk to the midwife about your concerns ( ideally with OH there) because you don't want to be put in a vulnerable position with a newborn, if there is any chance that drunk / drugged mil or her associates could turn up at the hospital or your home.

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Littleen · 08/02/2014 21:31

I think in this case you have to accept that you may have to hurt your other half in order to keep your kids safe from this woman. You don't need to slate her and say everything, but explain that you don't feel comfortable leaving kids around her without being there yourself. I'm sure your other half will (perhaps not straight away) be understanding of your feelings, and as he says; you always come first, which must include this situation too!

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innisglas · 08/02/2014 21:30

Your husband sounds lovely actually, why would you break up with him? Al Anon is a very good organisation for the relatives of alcoholics, so you and/or your Dh might find it helpful.

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22honey · 08/02/2014 21:24

Mary yes I do avoid slagging his family off (its only really MIL I feel like slagging off! :D), even though he does it himself but you can tell the discomfort he feels when having to do it with regards to his mother. He has no problem whatsoever pointing the flaws out of other family members but his mother was always different. He'll acknowledge shes a nightmare but would rather not talk about it.

His attitude towards her has changed recently though and he has been being rather touchy with her and basically like he doesnt give a shit how she feels or what she thinks. This has obviously come as a shock to MIL who has been sulking and giving him the silent treatment, but he just doesnt rise to it, says he doesnt care and ignores her. Hes more interested in planning our future together, and couldnt care less if its not near MIL. He actually said he doesnt want to be too close to her (shes very interfering). Im sure his sudden distaste and indifference towards her is because of what he learnt not too long ago, and how he feels about our future baby.

Its hard when your MIL is a nightmare because you feel like a cow for stating it how it is, maybe thats because of old age traditions that the MIL should be respected? I dont agree if shes a nightmare but MIL seems to (conveniently) believe this myth!

I never planned having a child here it was quite unexpected and no way would I ever have considered not moving before the baby is born. DP also knows it has to be done. Thankyou for all your advice and I feel better now I know Im not being unreasonable for taking a huge dislike to MIL for leaving her child with someone she knew was a paedophile.

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22honey · 08/02/2014 21:16

CouthyMow exactly how I feel, which is why I just cannot forget or forgive what MIL did. I cannot understand it. I have been abused myself and like you said it makes you want to protect your DCs even more. The fact it didnt have this affect on MIL I find sinister and theres no way I can ever warm to her now. She will not be having contact with my child unless I am there.

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MaryWestmacott · 08/02/2014 21:15

OP - having seen your update that you're out of there in 2 weeks time, just hold on. however, I think you need to be prepared that your laid back DP might need to face a few realities once he becomes a parent himself. Right now, he is excusing his mum's behaviour in his own mind, but when faced with the emotions of being a parent himself, the level of her failings towards him and his siblings might hit him. When he realises he'd crawl over hot coals than allow anyone to harm his DC, the idea that his mum was prepared to leave her DD with a man she new would abuse her might suddenly stop being "that's just how mum is" and become "how the fuck could she do that?"

I would avoid slagging his family off to your DP too much (I know, I know, tempting to do!) but that might make him defensive. Allow him to get away and see it himself.

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