to think this "friend" is a massive wankbadger?

[Objection]

I moved in with a friend temporarily whilst our (OP and myself) house is completing. OP is living with his DPs (no room for me).
It was originally going to be for about 6 months whilst we bought and renovated but my "friend" turned out to be a demon from hell (disgusting messy, loud, strangers over in the middle of the night, screamed at me at the slightest inclination etc) that I had to leave. So I lied (I know I know) and after a few weeks of trying to sort it out/put up with it I told her that things had changed with the house and now OP and I needed to move in. I felt this was a better reason for "you're a complete psycho and I can't put up with this any more".

I gave her 4 weeks notice (ending on Dec 2nd, when the house should be ours). After screaming, storming off and generally having a paddy we sorted it out and that was fine.

She spent a week or so looking for a replacement housemate and found one she loved who said yes. Great.

But yesterday evening she comes into my room demanding to know when my house will be sorted. I told her about the call to the soliciters I'd made that day and said that I'd let her know as soon as I knew but I'd be out by the 2nd.

"Well, you have to be out by this weekend."

"Sorry?"

"My new housemate starts her job on Monday."

"Right. But I can't move out until I have a house to move to."

"That's not my problem. You screwed me over about the six months so I don't see why I should be loyal to you for the 4 weeks notice. We had nothing in writing, you have no legal standing. You don't exist."

To cut a long story short, after calling my family psychopaths (because I'd confided in my grandmothers mental illness the night before) she threw me out. It was 9pm at night, freezing cold.

Now I'm living out of my car and sleeping on my mother's sofa - over an hour away from where I work.

AIBU to rant and to think she is a nasty piece of ?


(On a different note, I'm concerned that my computer didn't recognise the word "badger" but had no issue with "wankbadger" )

[Objection]

A life well lived is usually the best revenge in all but the most extreme circumstances This is the exact approach I've decided to take. At the end of the day she is 38, single, renting an awful worse-than-student-accomadation house, with no money and no wherewithal to do anything about any of this and clearly hating the situation she's in. (I say that as I have no problem with the above its that's what the person is happy with)

I actually, when I'm not angry, I feel a bit sorry for her really.

I think if I took "revenge" it would end up making me feel worse and probably come back on me at some point anyway!

So no prawns i'll can amuse myself with the thought though! And of course rant on Mumsnet!

[bochead]

I'd just walk away. An awful chapter is over. Heave a sigh of relief and enjoy spending a bit of time with your family.

The woman clearly has major problems, (whereas you are just a few months off your first home of your own with a wonderful partner). Karma will catch up with her in due course and won't need your assistance with a lifestyle like the one you are describing.

I can't see the point in making spiteful reports to the authorities, or prawns etc about someone so pitiful. A life well lived is usually the best revenge in all but the most extreme circumstances.

[ophelia275]

I would still report her to HMRC/letting agents/landlord anyway. If she is not doing anything wrong, then she won't have anything to worry about will she.

[AchyFox]

A rather interesting "friend" you have.

Do you think she's on drugs ?

Just goes to show you never know what's happening behind closed doors.

[Caitlin17]

The landlords might have said ,"no" but they and your relatives are confusing what is meant by tenant, sub-letting, parting with possession and other terms relating to the occupancy of a rented house and the creation of enforceable rights and the right to a family life. None of these relatives have any rights as against the landlord if he wants to end the lease.

It wasn't that long ago leases only ran in the husband's name only

[munchkinmaster]

My last lease specified no guests present for more than 31 days wand no subletting.

Years ago when travelling me and my pal rented a flat (then moved in our 6 mates to share the rent). Clearly such lodgers are in violation of any tenancy arrangement!

[ConfusedPixie]

caitlin~ RE this: If a family member had moved in and also helped out would that have to be declared ? No.

Yes you do have to declare that to your landlord. My sister wanted me to move in with her and when she inquired they said no.

[havingastress]

It's not for landlord to dictate who tenant has living with her.

No, but the landlord has the absolute right to know who that person is, and do background checks on them! So actually, the landlord does get to say who lives in their house!

If the tenant has picked a flatmate unbeknown to her landlord, and is then charging her, then that is subletting - and is against tenancy agreements.

[DameDeepRedBetty]

If she lives on her own she's entitled to a 25% discount on Council tax, well worth having the way mine's skyrocketted in the last year or two. I'd be very very surprised if she's not claiming that. No harm in letting the Council know she's usually got extra people in her home. If she's not been claiming, then she'll be fine. If she has, she'll be caught.

[Caitlin17]

It is not subletting. Subletting is where she moved out and OP moved in.

If OP and this girl had been in a relationship and OP helped with the house hold bills do you think the landlord needs to be told about that?

If a family member had moved in and also helped out would that have to be declared ? No. This is no different, the tenant has not sublet. It's not for landlord to dictate who tenant has living with her.

As for the suggestions of prawns, grow up.

[NynaevesSister]

I remember your last thread and actually am glad you are out of there.

[Objection]

Completely agree - it winds me up no end when people start diagnosing online.

[Tiredemma]

PMSL @ OP 'friend' being diagnosed with BPD because she is loud, messy, a bit aggressive and invites strangers home.

It can take years to get a psychiatric diagnosis- I dont think a few threads on a talk board hold much weight.

[Weegiemum]

Although, op's "friend" does sound like she needs help from a professional.

[Weegiemum]

bungmean way to go diagnosing a major disorder on the strength of this. Are you a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist?

I hate the way this term is used on here.

[diddl]

She sounds awful-but bloody hell!
6months!

Why didn't you & your partner get somewhere together?

[ConfusedPixie]

Finance: but anything over that amount is considered income and is liable for income tax. Which is why it needs to be declared. Not many people rent a room for less than £81 a week.

And wrt subletting, that is something that will breech a letting contract, as is lying about how many people live in the place, which is also common practice around my way.

[MissWimpyDimple]

You absolutely do need to declare subletting. The agent may not care (they can't do much about it though in reality) that she keeps it a mess but they should care about the subletting!

[Financeprincess]

Just to be clear, Caitlin is correct. You don't have to declare income from letting a room to a lodger to HMRC if you earn up to £4,250 per year from doing so. Income tax is not to be confused with council tax - for the latter, you are expected to tell your local council if more than one person lives at the house, since relief for single occupancy would be withdrawn.

I'd go with the prawns myself, OP!

[Objection]

Caitlin17 - I'm not saying she had a legal obligation just that it was extremely wankbadgery behaviour

[sashh]

YABU the correct term is cockwomble

[ConfusedPixie]

Tenancy agreements very rarely allow subletting and yes, you do need to declare income from lodgers like you need to declare income from any other source, whether it's taxable or not.

Both situations are very common down here and whilst it isn't commonly reported, people do get into big shit over it. Again, not advocating reporting but I'd have a lot of difficulty not doing it myself. As a lodger it is the only power you have wrt your living space, the knowledge that hmrc would come down on them if they knew, because the untaxable allowance in the rent a room scheme isn't that much. It's handy know and I know people who have used it to barter time in the house to search for somewhere else in situations like OPs.

[trufflesnuffler]

You need to hide prawns around the house to rot and take a shit behind the fridge. It's for her own good.

[Turnipsandpumpkins]

I thought most tenancy agreements i.e. hers with the landlord prohibit subletting.Which is what she is doing if she is taking in a paying lodger.
I could be wrong though.

[ApocalypseCheeseToastie]

Ooooohhhh