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AIBU?

To be sick of my friends arrogance

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NancyShrew · 07/11/2013 12:17

I have a fairly good friend who is convinced that everyone fancies her, to the point where another friend was talking about introducing her new boyfriend and she said "oh but what if he fancies me, that will be awkward!", which I thought was a completely inappropriate thing to say.

In actual fact the boyfriend in question (and indeed other men) have made joking but derogatory comments about the friends appearance beforehand - not exactly giving the impression they fancy her, but I've always totally and utterly defended her, said she's gorgeous etc.

It's just getting a bit wearing, particularly when she tells me I need to dress more like her, lose weight, change my hair etc. I'm no oil painting but I do think I can hold my own, I get the odd bit of male attention/compliments from strangers etc.

I do love her and in my eyes she's beautiful and I'm sure there are a lot of people who think that too, but AIBU to be fed up of being constantly told how many people fancy her and how I should be more like her?

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Lilacroses · 08/11/2013 21:50

I've got a friend who is a bit like this. She is lovely actually but is convinced she is irresistable to both men and women. She's a pretty woman, and I'm sure some people do find her very attractive but she perceives all sorts of benign attention as a come on. We have a mutual friend who is known for being highly flirtatious and this woman always interprets this as a serious declaration of desire when this person clearly flirts with everyone.

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MadBusLady · 08/11/2013 21:35

I'm not sure she's insecure. I think full-blown narcissists can be quite genuinely convinced they are amazing and everybody adores them.

"in my eyes she's beautiful" is a slightly odd thing to say about a mate IMO. Sounds more like the kind of unconditional love you give a child. Are you sure she's not a total narcissist and you're her supply??

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StanleyLambchop · 08/11/2013 21:28

Nancy, sorry to hear you might be single soon. Is this a result of the 'designer bag episode?' Sorry, just being nosey!!!

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Zilvernblue · 08/11/2013 21:14

My SIL is kind of this way inclined. A plainer, less noticeable woman you couldn't imagine. DH's brother and sister are both beautiful, inside and out, and we have to often sit listening to her tales of sexual harassment and male attention in the supermarket and many other more unlikely places. SIL today announced that the builders next door paid her so much attention when she came up the drive that she would prefer if someone else was with her in future, for safety. Apparently they wouldn't take their eyes off her. She is 8 months pregnant.

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HowlingTrap · 08/11/2013 17:49

this is one of the best threads in a while,

the mate I referred to above pursued the best looking lad in our class for a year, but this was because he was gayer than Christmas and took lots of care of himself in the grooming dept. Grin

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Bumblequeen · 08/11/2013 17:40

Some very good points on here.

I had a 'friend' who fancied herself. Yes, she was attractive and oozed confidence. If we were out and I got chatted up by somebody she liked, she would question it. If a guy beeped us on the street they were looking at her, never me.

At this time I had no confidence due to bullying at school so I accepted her behaviour.

Several years passed and I tired of her comments such as "You are jealous of me". Our friendship fizzled out. It was the right decision for me.

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AgathaF · 08/11/2013 16:10

Nancy just an observation, but you do seem to do a lot of complaining about other people.

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JohnSnowsTie · 08/11/2013 16:01

Bathsheba I think arrogance and low self-esteem often go hand in hand - like a kind of viscious cycle.

I know someone who, for the most part, comes across as very sure of herself and a bit arrogant (although not because she thinks she's stunningly attractive). She's a good hearted person but relies a lot on the validation of others. The thing I notice is that she thrives on compliments and praise and when they dry up (as they inevitably do as she's not always the centre of everyone's thinking) she starts complaining about her low self-esteem. Cue lots of obligatory compliments and her confidence/arrogance is regained until the next time she's not centre of attention.

So she's fine whilst she thinks everyone approves of her. As soon as people drift or go quiet or just get on with their own thing, she seems to feel vulnerable.

Don't know if I explained that very well!

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 08/11/2013 15:58

What a bunch of weirdos you all know Grin

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Bathsheba · 08/11/2013 15:45

See, I have to say I simply cannot understand all this "Oh she has low self esteem..."...she has low self esteem so she thinks incredibly highly of herself...what...?? How does that work..??

I have low self esteem. I possibly have the lowest self esteem of anyone I have ever met and I have huge issues about my looks and my body. I think I look like a hippo that has rolled in shit, and then been told some particularly bad news...I don't think anyone in the 43 years I have been on this earth has ever fancied me (inc my poor delightful husband). THATis low self esteem...which can be crippling. Arrogant-Friend certainly seems not to be crippled by thinking everyone loves her.

I was at university with a mature student who was "sexually harrassed" out of 10 jobs. If she got a good mark it was because the lecturer fancied her....if she got a bad mark it was because the lecturer fancied her and knew he shouldn't so was punishing her for his own lustful failings. Absolutely sod all wrong with her self esteem...she was just completely deluded into thinking she was fecking brilliant when she was fairly average and normal.

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Crinkle77 · 08/11/2013 15:29

She doesn't sound like a very nice friends to me

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JohnSnowsTie · 08/11/2013 14:30

You've reminded me of someone I'd long forgotten.

I used to work with a girl who was an absolute stunner. Thinking back I'm pretty sure I used to tell her this all the time (I was a bit obsessed Blush) but she was out of this world and very humble with it.

She and her sister (also v attractive in a doesn't-know-it kind of way) took on a new housemate and we all went on a night out. The housemate, who was extremely plain and not entirely dissimilar to Katie Hopkins in the looks department spent the whole evening talking about how attractive she was, how she got too much male attention and how women tended to be jealous of her Shock. Seeing her next to the two beautiful sisters, singing her own praises whilst the others smiled and nodded politely was positively mortifying!

In her case it was an insecurity thing. In the end the sisters had to ask her to leave the house share as they discovered she'd been nicking their makeup! (Presumably in an attempt to look more like them Grin).

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jellyboatsandpirates · 08/11/2013 12:37

For those saying I should stop telling her she's gorgeous, I don't tell her unless she brings it up/asks. If she asks if I think she's good looking I can hardly say no!

If she said "do you think I'm good looking?" I'd say "compared to what?!" then laugh 'cos I've got a sarky sense of humour.
If she can't laugh at herself then she's too miserable to be your friend anyway! Grin
Seriously though, who goes around asking that all the time?
She sounds desperately insecure to me.
If she said "you need to look more like me", I'd be saying "nope, I'm quite happy being me, thanks."

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Lazysuzanne · 08/11/2013 12:09

Imagine being so convinced of your own allure that even when presented with evidence to the contrary you don't question that belief.

Instead you spin it such that it becomes further proof that you are irresistible!

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Lazysuzanne · 08/11/2013 11:39

Lanie your friend's refusal to be knocked off her 'alpha female' perch is astonishing!

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HowlingTrap · 08/11/2013 11:09

Oh dear Lainie that is bad.

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CSIJanner · 08/11/2013 09:56

YANBU

Pretty in the outside doesn't mean pretty on the inside. If she's trying to undermine your confidence, distance yourself.

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Lovecat · 08/11/2013 09:51

Is her name Amanda ?

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lainiekazan · 08/11/2013 09:50

Nah, nothing exciting. Had a drink and I didn't return his calls after that Blush . It would make a better story if I'd married him. Should have done - he was an investment banker!

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emuloc · 08/11/2013 09:38

So what happend Lainiekazan?

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lainiekazan · 08/11/2013 09:36

I had rather a "full on" friend. One night when we were out we met a few blokes and at the end of the evening one (the best looking) asked me for my number.

My friend was really put out. She kept saying she didn't understand, and then the following day rang me and said she'd realised what was going on, that he was obviously too intimated to ask her out, so he'd thought he'd go through me.

Do you know what? I actually believed her. When he rang I started blathering about how my friend was on holiday and wouldn't be able to meet up. He was confused and I sounded like Madge, Dame Edna Everedge's friend, or the dowdy friend in To The Manor Born (can't remember name!). In fact my friend had cast me in this role and I was unwittingly going along with it.

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emuloc · 08/11/2013 09:34

Meh! She sounds like a lot of work

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HowlingTrap · 08/11/2013 07:28

I agree with Dahlen, I come across a lot of people who are maybe slim with a so/so face or v. overweight with a sweet face or an average figure/average face, few people have the 'whole package' but manage to attract people on many different levels.

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LondonInHighHeeledBoots · 07/11/2013 20:13

That is pretty funny tbh.

I think my response to 'what if he fancies me' would be I think we can all rest easy on that, to am I gorgeous would be, your fine, why have you done something special Hmm and as to telling you to look like her, (Hmm ) No thanks, I'd MUCH rather look like me. She'll either drop you or stop being so mental pretty quick!

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Dahlen · 07/11/2013 19:27

Self belief is a powerful thing. Unless someone is very obviously deluded it becomes self-perpetuating. One of the things I'm always struck by is how ordinary some so-called sex symbols look. What they exude is a confidence and charisma that draws people to them, and I expect that in large part comes from other people feeding that belief.

Look at the popular ones in school. Many of them are popular because they are all-round likeable children with good social skills. Others are popular for less auspicious, or even sinister, reasons. But either way the common trait they share is that the belief some people have in their 'power' encourages others to want to be a part of that group. This feeds the self-belief and so it goes on.

We live in a world in which women are still judged hugely on their appearance and their domestic skills. It is unsurprising that many women still choose to court popularity through these mediums (and end up believing the myth they are trying to create).

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