I want to smash my neighbour's buggy

[DodieDoo]

There are two flats in our building, us on the lower floor up a short flight of stairs and our neighbours above us up the continuing stair case.
They have a 3 year old, we have a four month old. We own and have lived here 6 years, they rent and have lived there 2.5 years.
They obviously knew when they moved in that they had a child and that their flat was upstairs, yet they didn't take into consideration that they don't want to carry a buggy up and down stairs so they decided to keep it in the very small area at the bottom of the stairs which obstructs the front door and stairs. (Lease says nothing can be stored in communal areas).
At first my partner and I were considerate and let them whilst their child was small but whilst I was pregnant I found it very hard to squeeze past and we felt that as their kid was at walking age that we should ask them to move it out the hall. They didn't. We asked again. They didn't. Its a fold up that they dont fold up, so we did and put it as much out of the way as possible. They kicked off for touching their stuff. We told the management company who asked them to move it. They did for a week. Then my son was born so it was harder to get past we asked them to move it. They didn't. We went to the management company again. They still didn't.
We keep our buggy in our flat but need to 'set it up' in hall which I only just had space to do. Until yesterday when I found they had just got a new 'off roader' with massive wheels and takes up even more space so I'm pretty much now penned in or have to face an argument when I want to go out.

Am I being unreasonable wanting to take a hammer to the b**rd thing and/or wanting to have them evicted??

They are lucky I'm not expecting again but I think the hormones would send me over the edge!!

[lisianthus]

If you point out that it is a breach of the lease and their landlord gets a wake-up call that this is putting him/her in danger of forfeiture, they might get a "come to Jesus" chat from that direction as well.

If your mgmnt co are rubbish, may be worth sinking a couple of hundred pounds into getting a lawyers letter sent to mgmt co/the other landlord. Tends to have a sobering effect and encourage people to sort out their responsibilities if you make it clear you won't be ignored.

[Thepursuitofhappiness]

They sound ridiculously unreasonable. Shouting at you when you folded it?

Is there a backstory? Any other disputes?

Even so, pester, pester, pester management company.

[holidaysarenice]

Inform the management company, and make sure ur email includes risk of fire, risk of tripping etc.

Also we had this, I found tipping water in the seat didn't damage it, but inconvenienced them massively.

As did getting two strapping lads to carrt it up and squarely plonk it outside their door daily.

In the end I took to blocking it in with a bike, neighbour came to door to ask me to move the bike - 'its a bloody pita isn't it' door closed.

End of problem.

[FixItUpChappie]

oh yes, yes as noted above - bandy about the word "liable" a lot.

[FixItUpChappie]

I'd complain constantly to the management company and advise that the fire department will be notified as it is a hazard blocking the exit. I'd be a right PITA about it. What rude bastards! I'd be tempted to keep pushing it outside but I suppose you don't want an all out war with them.

[goodasitgets]

Keep pushing it with the management company. Our management is so hot that if I leave my boots on my doormat I get a letter
They have (and did) remove and destroy a pram after numerous warnings

[mydoorisalwaysopen]

Sounds to me as if they are being deliberately awkward to annoy you. Why else get a giant buggy when anyone else would be thinking of binning the buggy with a three year old. I would make no fuss at all for a few weeks then fold it up, put it in the back of my car and take it to the dump. If they ask you, just say you hadn't noticed it for ages and assumed their kid had outgrown it.

[mezza123]

Tell the management company that they have to sort it out within 1 hour (or day if.you're feeling generous) or u will be calling the fire brigade to report a blocked fire exit.

[ghostspirit]

im on the fence. it was ok to leave it there when the child was little. but its not now? the pushchair was still there what ever the age. she lives upstairs maybe its hard for to get it up a flight of stairs. although i cant see why she cant at least fold it. means she can keep her buggy down stairs and you can get in and out ok with your buggy.
its like you both want it your own ways. the must be a compromise.

i dont think you being there longer or owning the flat makes any difference.

[Brittabot]

This would drive me mad, they sound very inconsiderate. I would put the buggy outside every time I found it in the lobby, it's not meant to be there so I don't see how they can object.

[ifyourehoppyandyouknowit]

Could you just leave the door unlocked an see if it gets stolen?

[kiriwawa]

BakeOLite - I'm not prying about your reasons but surely you must acknowledge that most children are becoming less and less reliant on a buggy by the age of 3.5 and that similarly most people move their child to a smaller lightweight umbrella fold, simply because its lighter and less cumbersome.

[PrincessFlirtyPants]

Love serin 's suggestion! Do that!

[Pimpf]

I'd accidentally on purpose leave it outside and forget to bring it in again

[BakeOLiteGirl]

The pram is a fire hazard yanbu about that. But I'm surprised so many people are horrified a three year old has a big buggy at that age. There could could be lots of very good reasons why. I deliberately bought a P&T when my son was three and a half. It was very much needed for private reasons that shouldn't need justifying.

[serin]

Piss in it and blame a cat.

[Sallyingforth]

You should not move the buggy. It will cause a personal dispute and you will be liable if it gets damaged or stolen. Much better to let the fire brigade deal with it, as they certainly will if you call them in for advice.

[DontmindifIdo]

Yes, daily complaints. Also I'd be tempted put a note on it, saying "this is a fire hazard, if it is here tomorrow it will be removed from the communal area" and then do it. (stick it in the street)

[cooeeyonlyme]

Just push the pram outside. They may kick off but call the police if they do.

[Snazzyenjoyingsummer]

Yes, keep pestering the management company so it is less of an annoyance to deal with them than it is to fob you off. Good luck.

[Bambamb]

Just put it outside the front door every time you need to get past and leave it there.

[jessieagain]

You need to keep reporting it, it is a fire safety issue and you are obliged to report it.

[MrsGarlic]

They are being ridiculous. We live in a similar situation except we are upstairs. We have a huge Stokke pram and a Maclaren buggy. I take them both up the stairs. I don't see why our neighbours should have to fight their way around MY prams! I would just keep putting it outside TBH and if they kick off, calmly point out that you had to move it as it was blocking the access to your flat and just repeat. If it was me, I'd move it to outside THEIR door if I could - appreciate not easy if you are pregnant/bad back etc.

[Avalicious1980]

YADNBU I would feel exactly the same and I know this because I have been in a similar situation. Keep ringing the management company about it, I did that and it did eventually get sorted. They sound scummy.....clothes in the hallway....yak!! Very rude!!