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To be put off visiting National Trust properties because they are National Trust properties

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Growlithe · 03/08/2013 18:55

I can see that the National Trust have some great places, but it puts years on me whenever I visit one.

They always try to flog you the annual membership. When you suggest you may not get the value out of it (because believe it or not you have other things to do and places to visit of a weekend than just National Trust places) they look at you like you are stark raving mad. And people with National Trust memberships do the same. It's like a cult.

They have complicated pricing systems based on which bits of the place you want to visit. How do I know which bits I want to see, I've never been there before. Confused

The cafes are always expensive.

Whilst you often go for days out to entertain/educate the DCs, and they often have activities/packs aimed at children, they seem to tolerate children rather than welcome them.

They must also think the children of today are some sort of alien species, judging from their '50 things to do before you are 11 3/4'. I mean, do we have to be told the DCs would enjoy making a daisy chain, climb a tree or run about in the rain? I know kids like to play computer games these days but do they think we are so so removed from doing this kind of thing with our DCS? It's condescending.

They are full of performance parents with massive great big picnic baskets (which is probably understandable given the prices in the cafes I suppose).

Although they are knowledgeable, they often just seem to sap the life out of the very things they want to show you, and could do with taking a leaf out of places like the Black Country Living Museum, which has amazingly enthusiastic staff.

So go on, National Trust members, do your worst. AIBU?

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DontCallMeBaby · 03/08/2013 21:10

We got membership a couple of months ago, and have just broken even, although we have just been away, so use is likely to slow down now. Locally we've been to Croome, which I had terrible memories of from a year's membership the year DD was born - February, heavily pregnant, bleak grounds and no facilities. The house is open now, it has a genuinely lovely tea room with a brilliant kids' lunch, and we visited on a lovely day. DD and I have to go back because while she finished the trail in the gardens the house shut before she could finish the house trail. Then we went to Dunham Massey while visiting the in-laws, which was brilliant just by virtue that we never DO anything while visiting them (and was genuinely good, although I got bitten by a horsefly), and to Wray Castle and Fell Foot Park (just saved on parking there) in the Lake District on holiday. Volunteers at the three actual houses were lovely. DD likes trails, and if she's got one is slightly more likely to listen to me pontificating about something historic (they make DH happier too, tbh). She likes the 50 things, as she likes ticking off lists, although her definition of some of the activities is 'interesting' - "camp in the wild" is either Camp Bestival or a big Outwell tent on a nice site. Hmm

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ohforfoxsake · 03/08/2013 21:14

Buy your membership through Quidco for decent cash back, get 12 months for the price of 9 by paying by direct debit and you are quids in. Cancel your membership so you don't pay full price next year.

Depending on where you live depends on how good value for money it is. We have beaches, country houses, gardens, playgrounds, all very accessible. We get our money's worth. And we take a picnic (and probably lower the tone).

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breatheslowly · 03/08/2013 21:38

We live in what looks like a NT black hole on the map. Perhaps that is why we won't want to renew our membership. Actually where we live seems to be a black hole on lots of maps. No ice skating rink, no splash parks no High and Mighty for DH's clothes, just a whole lot of nothing.

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LessMissAbs · 03/08/2013 21:44

NT does a good job with most of its properties and is often tied by the terms of legacies, etc in what it can do with them. But in these days of historic properties actually being lived in as converted flats, their aims seem increasingly outmoded with some of the smaller properties. There are a couple near me owned by the NT which have been allowed to deteriorate and closed to the public because it does not have the funds to maintain them. The figures mentioned are always tens of millions, yet developers seem to be able to take on such properties, convert them into flats and sell them for a profit. So I'm not sure I entirely agree with its ethos.

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EnglishGirlApproximately · 03/08/2013 21:48

I easily get my moneys worth out of my NT membership. £5.75 a month gets my parking paid at my nearest property where there are lovely picnic areas, an outdoor playground and a soft play. I take DS every week and parking would normally be £6.

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fuzzpig · 03/08/2013 21:49

I would probably be tempted to join if we had a car. A lot of the places I've looked at are by nature rather too out of the way for public transport.

There is lots of woodland round here though and some huge parks so plenty of space for the DCs to have adventures for free!

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Morgause · 03/08/2013 21:52

We're in Cadw (Welsh Heritage) as well which gives free entry to English Heritage places.

We always go into the houses, that's the best part.

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Permanentlyexhausted · 03/08/2013 21:53

Happily we have family life membership so never think about the cost. It's worth it just for the free parking at the beach. As a PP said, I wave my little gold card and get very deferential treatment. Fab!

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greenishfingers · 03/08/2013 21:53

Always find it curious how NT membership figures are quoted as evidence that so many people care about heritage in this country. A lot of people in Devon and Cornwall are mainly members for the parking!

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lovesmellingthecoffee · 04/08/2013 01:06

Actually its nice to go places which aren't totally infantalised. Adults and older children want to go to places which will interest them as as well.

I took my kids to the science museum and it was appalling. it was totally dumbed down nothing of interest for anyone over 8 and the kids activities would have been available anywhere eg sand and water play.
the place is full of a valuable learning resources which arent being utilised to the full. Teenagers, older childreadults like learning just as much as children do .
If you want a variety of experiences for your children take them to different places, don't expect one type of place to cater for everyone.
Our kids enjoyed going to NT places and they also enjoyed, farms and Alton Towers. but i wouldnt expect to find a roller coaster at a NT property but that is why we go there.

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BoffinMum · 04/08/2013 08:54

There's another point about the houses, which means we shouldn't be too reverential.

The way people are using them, by dropping in, having something to eat and mucking about in the gardens, is one of the things they were meant for. While they are indeed 'historic' and part of our national pageantry, ultimately they were designed to:

Display wealth and status
Employ masses of local people and craftsmen
Act as playgrounds for the upper classes and nobility and people they wanted to impress.

If we want to hang on to such heritage, and indeed it is amazing we are in a collective position to do this, we should continue in the same vein. That means letting people get married in bits of them, or hire them for events, keeping up with maintenance and using local people to help, and developing facilities there that allow people to enjoy their leisure time whilst appreciating the beauty around them.

It is irrelevant whether the National Trust or English Heritage or established families are acting as guardians to these properties, they all need loads and loads of interested people engaged in keeping the properties alive, and part of that is, in my view, allowing (some) visitors and enthusing them as well. Only the worst kind of historical snob would say that they should be kept in a kind of intellectual aspic, as though time had never moved on. Nobody ever intended the life of such houses to remain static.

I don't think tiptoeing around lots of gilding and marble is much use in this regard, or barking at visitors. Obviously it's a problem if 5000 people a season all feel the need to touch some fragile bit of something, and that needs to be carefully screened off. And things like dust and daylight are also problematic, which means in some cases you need to control visitor numbers a bit indoors, as well as the timing. However it's a very sad house indeed that doesn't hear the sound of laughter and parties and merriment, and instead is reduced to the awed hush of people being overawed by the nation's past. It's perfectly possible to let a house live a modern life, with largely reversible additions or adaptations, whilst acting as good custodians for future generations.

And yes, I speak as one who has shagged completely surrounded by priceless paintings and vaulted ceilings, who has partied like the Georgians never knew how, and who has teased paying visitors with 'find the BBQ' treasure hunts. I did it for Britain Grin

Flirt with these houses, help with these houses, play around these houses, but always, always, always have fun.

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MrButtercat · 04/08/2013 09:10

Dp and I have family membership for our bday every year and think it's bloody fantastic.

We live in Devon so visit the Devon and Cornwall properties a lot.I love the fact that as a strapped for cash family we can go anywhere in the UK and have a free day out.My dc imagine the gardens are theirs.Considering Salcombe beach car park is £7 it's good to have.

All the properties we visit have a picnic area,nice pocket money toys in the shop and are lovely and encouraging to kids even letting them play the pianos,handle artefacts etc.

The only one I have a quibble with is Knightshayes which never has activities for kids in the holidays. Saltram does the best imaginative activities for older kids,done some nice things at Drogo too. Killerton just repeats the same old thing(could do with a change). Fab adventure playground at Llanhydrock and super slide/ play room at Anthony.

Would like to see more activities for older children drawing on the history of each house( they are an amazing resource just sitting there) and the plants in the gardens and more outdoor play equipment for older kids.

I think the NT has worked hard in recent years(I've noticed changes)to encourage families/ children but shouldn't stand still.

I think the volunteers should be applauded often v patient and knowledgable.

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MrButtercat · 04/08/2013 09:12

A La Ronde does fab activities for such a small property too.

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Eyesunderarock · 04/08/2013 09:14

I definitely agree with lovesmellingthecoffee about the sheer number of buttons and flashing lights and computer screens and dumbing down in so many of the more popular museums now.
We need the variety, and the breadth. One of the fascinating discoveries when visiting somewhere that isn't filled with simplified IT and indistinguishable activities is the level of thinking, exploration, speculation and theorising it engenders in the visitors.
I also agree that the Science museum in London is one we've been less than keen on since the children hit 11.

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PeoplesRepublicOfBerkshire · 04/08/2013 09:14

We're NT members but my DC are 3 & 5 so we don't bother with the properties (and they bore me anyway!) but we definitely get our money's worth. Wide open spaces and fewer crowds in the summer are a godsend.

I don't think the 50 things to do is patronising at all and you'd be amazed by how many kids won't have experienced that stuff sadly.

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LadyFlumpalot · 04/08/2013 09:17

Stourhead double admission prices when the Rhododendrons are in flower. This used to really bug me, until I discovered the not so secret, secret way in.

I live 10 minutes away so it's handy to entertain visiting relatives.

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Growlithe · 04/08/2013 10:14

I'm not suggesting they should be putting buttons and computer screens everywhere.

Someone upthread said the Black Country Living Museum was historically inaccurate. That may be, bit at least it had my DDs thinking about how families lived in those days. The differences between the rich and the poor and the moderately well off. What the children did, how they played, if they went to school and what they did there if they did etc.

I'd suggest a bit of research on what kind of times you families attend the grounds of these houses. Then I'd clear the house of the browsers for an hour during that time and do a tour based on things children would be interested in - stories of the families who owned them, which children lived (or worked) there, any gory stories, how they got washed and went to the toilet. All that stuff. If there is dressing up, get them all dressed up for it.

That would bring the places alive more than buttons and computer screens. And wouldn't make them Alton Towers either.

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vjg13 · 04/08/2013 10:30

English Heritage also do a really bad hard sell on the membership. I emailed a complaint after a man ran after us at Osborne House ranting "listen to me" after I had politely said no thanks several times.

We have NT membership but probably don't get value from it. I do lend it to ILs sometimes too!

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MrButtercat · 04/08/2013 10:30

Grow they do all that but could extend it further imvho.

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Jenijena · 04/08/2013 10:55

Anyone down in Hampshire this summer - visiting Paultons Park for example - could go to Mottisfont Abbey. Which isn't an abbey, but does have a lovely Winnie the Pooh trail this summer, with pictures in the main house. And an ice cream parlour.

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LaGuardia · 04/08/2013 11:48

A very working class attitude, OP. Stick to indoor soft play.

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BadRoly · 04/08/2013 12:01

The pp who asked why so many of us don't take the children into the houses - I would happily take the older 3dc but dc4 (just 4) is the one who would slip under the rope and jump on the 390yr old bed! Give it 12mths and we might start taking them all inside Wink

Fwiw, if my mum is with us, she will slope off with dc1 and they will go for a sneaky peak around without the rest of us.

We are in Cornwall but had membership before we came down - each dc's first 'day out' after being released from hospital was a walk (well push) round Stowe Gardens.

My most favourite NT place at the moment though is near Cambridge - Wimpole Hall. I love going there when we are in that part of the world.

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Bea · 04/08/2013 12:26

We love the NT!!! So much so we got ourselves life memberships...

Agree with a lot here! No need for a full blown day... and ALWAYS! take a picnic... finish off the visit with a coffee/cake or ice cream!

Quick 10 minite mooch in the shop whilst kids and dh play in the play area...

Wherever we are... if stuck and in need of a breather on long journeys or hols... pop into a NT!

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JakeBullet · 04/08/2013 12:29

When I lived in the West Country I always had membership...always somewhere to go so it more than paid for itself.

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