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AIBU to look at dp in a completely different light after he said this?

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stripeyspots · 30/07/2013 16:50

First of all just to say that dp comes from a small town where the population are predominantly white, I'm from a diverse and multicultural city.

Dp is one of the most laid back, placid people you could meet, never really has a bad word to say about anyone and has never been racist in front of me.

Recently came back from a beach holiday abroad with dp.

While we were there we briefly met this guy who was there with his young daughter, he happened to be black.

One day dp and I were lounging around by the pool, this guy was sitting over at the other side reading a book while his daughter played.

Dp went to say something to me and then stopped, he said he wasn't going to say it as I'd think he was stupid. Of course I was like 'no go on you have to say it now'.

He turned round and said 'well, see that black man over there sitting in the shade reading his book, well if you were black, woud you really come to a place like this?'

I almost burst out laughing and asked what on earth that was supposed to mean. And he went on to say 'well he already has a tan, if he just wants to relax would he really come to a place like this'.

I was astonished, I of course pointed out that the guy was doing exactly what everyone else was doing, come on holiday and that (a) I wasn't there to get a tan either and (b) black people can still sunbathe and get a tan if they want to and (c) the guy can come on holiday exactly where he pleases for whatever reason he chooses whether it be he wants to relax by the pool, swim in the sea, taste the local cuisine and that it was a completely bizarre thought to even have.

Dp agreed he was being daft and no more was said about it.

But I keep thinking about what he said.

I have told a few people two being my dad and bil who can both be a little bigotted at times and even they couldn't get there breath when I told them and just think he's thick as two short planks.

But it reminded me of another comment dp made about a year ago which I thought was strange.

One of our neighbours is black, I'll call him Bob, it doesn't really even enter my head which neighbours are black, white I just don't see it iyswim. But one day dp was looking out of the window and said 'look Bobs going jogging'. I got up to look purely because dp had mentioned it and Bob isn't really the jogging type, and dp burst out laughing and said 'ha ha it's not really Bob it's just another coloured man'. He thought it was hilarious. Firstly I said I just don't get the joke, so you see a black guy and pretend it's Bob?? And also people haven't really used the term 'coloured' since the 80s and it's not something people really like to be referred to as.

Dp said he didn't realise and just thought he was messing around. His jokes are terrible at the best of times.

But seriously? Am I in a relationship with a racist or just a daft idiot who has lived a bit of an enclosed existence?

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chocoluvva · 31/07/2013 11:00

Ah.

Perhaps he was brought up to leave some food on the plate to show that the portion size was sufficiently generous. But why bother about the restaurant staff's feelings?

Old habits die hard!

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chocoluvva · 31/07/2013 11:02

If you're more educated/worldly than him he maybe feels inferior/insecure and gets defensive when you appear to be pointing this out by challenging his remarks.

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aldiwhore · 31/07/2013 11:47

My black friend flagged up my general ignorance (not racism) when he showed me his tan lines. Before that it had never occurred to me that already dark skin could get darker.

Stupid I know, we laughed about it, I was cringingly embarrassed, he thought it was hilarious.

Yes op your DP was a bit daft, we're all daft sometimes I think, and at least he is socially savvy enough to have asked YOU rather than his new friend!!

We all have our weird, often unreasonable quirks... the question is not what's wrong with your DP but whether you can put up with them? An ideal relationship is one where both parties can live with the other's flaws.

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glastocat · 31/07/2013 11:50

I'm from NI and had never met a black person until I was over 20. I worked in Bognor Butlins for a season when I was 22 and waitressed for a black family that told me they wanted to buy me a drink one night. When I met them I told them they were the first coloured family I'd ever met what a fuckwit. The daughter who was the same age as me went crazy and started shouting at me about how offensive the word is, I felt terrible! But when I apologised and said I honestly thought that was the polite way to say black ( cringe!) they absolutely couldn't have been nicer, they had no idea parts of the UK were so white ( so far as I know my home town still is). Anyway they ended up inviting me to visit them in Elephant and Castle, and when I moved to London a few months later I did and they told EVERYONE what I'd said and took the piss out of me relentlessly for as long as I knew them! Grin. So maybe your husband is a bit sheltered or a twat like I was. Grin

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musicismylife · 31/07/2013 11:55

It's almost as if 'seeing a black person' is a rite of passage to life.

Well, folks, I never saw a white person until I was four months old Wink

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FriendlyLadybird · 31/07/2013 12:07

Started to read the whole thread but it seemed to wander off-topic -- so apologies if this has been said before. OP, I don't think he was being racist. He was being a bit daft but he probably realised that because he started to say it and then stopped. I've nearly said the stupidest things in my time. The only reason my DH doesn't think I'm completely thick is that I've managed to stop myself before I've voiced the thoughts.

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Mandy2003 · 31/07/2013 12:14

OP's DP probably thinks black people don't blush either!

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LyraSilvertongue · 31/07/2013 13:09

Stripeyspots, the "no, where are you REALLY from " thing is the most irritating thing in the world. I get that from old people who refuse to accept that I was born and brought up in this country. They're only satisfied when I tell them where my parents were born.

Glastocat, I think it was really OTT of the daughter to shout at you over an honest mistake.

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PeriodFeatures · 31/07/2013 13:21

Your DH is from Roysten Vasey. Don't worry.

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stripeyspots · 31/07/2013 13:23

One of the craziest things I've ever heard.

We did a diversity course at work and the trainers who planned the course did a bit on misconceptions, one of things they did was a survey in a small town, a town not far from where dp grew up. They did a multiple choice quiz on what did people think the Muslim population in Britain was compared to non Muslims. Out of 100 people asked almost all thought that 50% of the population of Britain were Muslim (taking over anyone?). How can you live here and really believe that 50% of the population are Muslim!

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ViviPru · 31/07/2013 13:28

OP Your DPs ways are fascinating.... can you think of any more you could share?

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stripeyspots · 31/07/2013 13:32

He calls a blanket a rug, I find that one a little weird

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ViviPru · 31/07/2013 13:34

Seriously, stripey, I'm not sure why but I'm weirdly captivated by this. The blanket/rug thing was precisely sort of thing I was hoping you'd say...... Any more?

Are his parents like this?

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stripeyspots · 31/07/2013 13:43

They are not really although not entirely like people I know. I find them all a little serious, and dos mum still treats him like a baby.

Dp also claims to not remember anything from his childhood.

I don't know in all seriousness I have wondered if there is some kind of underlying social thing going on with him but what do I know?

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stripeyspots · 31/07/2013 13:46

One if the things that bothers me is he isn't at all interested in comedy, shows or comedians, he rarely laughs at anything and when he dies its usually at something rather strange or childish, like Bob going for a jog when it's not even Bob.

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mumblechum1 · 31/07/2013 13:57

DH, who is black, once went on the train from Edinburgh (where he was born and brought up) to London.

Sitting next to him was a 20 year old Scot who had lived on Skye his whole life. He asked DH to tell him when they were in London as he was worried about missing his stop.

Anyway, they chatted, and DH gave him some pointers about London etc.

As they got off the train, the lad said to DH "thanks for helping. I was worried about talking to you because the people in the village said that whatever I do in London, I must not talk to any black people. You're the first black person I've ever met

This was in about 1995

Grin

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ViviPru · 31/07/2013 14:17

How interesting about the sense of humour thing. I guess the bottom line is how much does this stuff bother you. DH and I have a bit of a sense of humour venn diagram, but I wonder how I'd feel if there were no crossover in the middle since laughing together is so important imo.

FWIW, my DH has ADHD. Not suggesting for one second that could be an explanation for your DP's peculiarities but that's probably why this is striking such a chord with me. Just the fact that he thinks so very differently and comes out with some very unexpected things on occasion... I know what it's like to live with someone that seems to be wired differently.

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BridgetBidet · 31/07/2013 14:26

He was sort of right in a way. Culturally in general black people regard a darkened skin due to the sun as not socially or culturally a good thing and paler skins are far more valued and considered more beautiful in general. For example the valuing of 'brownings' in Jamaica.

And I have to say in my experience for that reason black people do tend not to go on holiday for 'sunbathing' type holidays. Oh, and also the type of country these holidays are normally in are often not pleasant for black people to visit, particularly in terms of the service they will receive.

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mumblechum1 · 31/07/2013 14:29

Culturally in general black people regard a darkened skin due to the sun as not socially or culturally a good thing

What a weird thing to say. DH, as I say, is black and although he certainly has no interest in getting a tan (he's very dark), he enjoys holidays in the Maldives, California, Tuscany etc as much as the next (white) person (ie me Grin)

But culturally, he's Scottish.

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maja00 · 31/07/2013 14:30

Culturally in general? What, all black people? Just one culture?

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Keztrel · 31/07/2013 14:44

OP, your DP does not sound racist. I love the 'everything's the floor' thing. He sounds kind of sweet and unusual to me. You seem very keen to insist that you don't 'see' colour, which is fine, but not everyone is like you - just because your DP notices colour and makes occasional odd comments about it doesn't mean he's got some underlying hatred for black people. Personally I do notice colour - my DH is mixed race and I kind of notice his skin colour all the time (same as his eyes, beard etc.) because I think it's hot!

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PeriodFeatures · 31/07/2013 14:45

Culturally in general black people regard a darkened skin due to the sun as not socially or culturally a good thing and paler skins are far more valued and considered more beautiful in general. For example the valuing of 'brownings' in Jamaica.

What like how:

'Culturally in general white people regard a whitened skin as not socially or culturally a good thing and orange skins are considered far more beautiful in general. For example the valuing of 'tanning' in TOWIE' ? [grin}

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PeriodFeatures · 31/07/2013 14:45

*Grin even

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thefattwins · 31/07/2013 14:51

It's a weird one. Is everything else in the relationship fine? Are there any other question marks?

I've had to educate my DP over the years with things he genuinely didn't know. It's incredible to think people don't realise that "coloured" is an offensive term (his excuse was that he lived in South Africa and that "Cape Coloured" was a genuine term Hmm) but it was a small thing in the grand scheme of how great he was as a person.

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thefattwins · 31/07/2013 14:54

Ha, sorry - just read some of the other weird things [laugh] he certainly sounds (ahem) alternative, but harmless. Do you love him?

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