To not want my ds to be near friend whose dd has not had mmr?

[orderinformation]

Dd had mmr at 13 months. A good friend who we play with a lot at her house has just told me her dd didn't have it because they never got round to it. Now my dd is protected because she has had her jabs but 4mo ds is put at risk by this right? Aibu not to want to take him there now I know this, or have them to ours. A friend's dd got measles aged 8 months because lack of mmr take up in our area meant herd immunity lost.

[Trazzletoes]

HollyBerryBush this is from the NHS website: "It's not possible for people who have recently had the vaccine to infect other people."

[anothershittynickname]

HollyBerryBush this is from the NHS website: "It's not possible for people who have recently had the vaccine to infect other people."

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[anothershittynickname]

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[AnyoneforTurps]

soupdragon in areas with high MMR take up, babies too young to be vaccinated are at very low risk of catching or passing on measles because there is very little measles in the community due to herd immunity. However, in areas with low MMR take up and especially when there is an epidemic, there is much greater risk to anyone unvaccinated.

[orderinformation]

In London in very mixed area so high risk generally but not specific outbreak area.

[Meglet]

I'd avoid them until she was organised enough to get round to having them vaccinated. She's given no good medical reason to not vaccinate, she's just let it slide.

[ihearsounds]

Why stop with this friend. What about people at nursery, school, play schemes, swimming, parks etc. You don't know if all these people have had their children vacc'd.

[BreasticlesNTesticles]

I was just about to say I thought you were misinformed Holly.

AFAIK the virus is given dead. Your body fights the dead virus and so it mimics symptoms as though it has the live virus. That is why you are under the weather.

Therefore you cannot infect others.

Re the OP, you have no idea which children haven't, or ,more importantly probably, can't be vaccinated, everywhere you go. Therefore worrying about one person seems pointless unless they are displaying symptoms.

[XBenedict]

The MMR is a live virus but it is given in a weakened form and is very very unlikely to cause the disease however care is taken in immunosuppressed patients.

[BreasticlesNTesticles]

I'll shut up now XBenedict

[XBenedict]

tis the one subject I know a little bit about

[mrsjay]

I had dd when the whole MMR thing erupted and kids were walking around unvaccinated I did vacinate dd1 though people were refusing all over the place so I had dd2 1 mixing with unvacinated 4yr old it is fine honestly unless their is measles around,

[JollyPurpleGiant]

How would you know if a child has been vaccinated or not? DS's nursery haven't asked if he has had the MMR or not.

Total isolation is surely the only surefire way to avoid unvaccinated individuals.

[redspottydress]

I would also avoid ANYONE over the age of 44 as they won't have been vaccinated..

[HollyBerryBush]

I beg to differ.


The vaccine is a mixture of three live attenuated viruses, administered via injection.

An attenuated vaccine is a vaccine created by reducing the virulence of a pathogen, but still keeping it viable (or "live").[1] Attenuation takes an infectious agent and alters it so that it becomes harmless or less virulent

[HollyBerryBush]

I would also avoid ANYONE over the age of 44 as they won't have been vaccinated.

I'm 47 and we had it aged 15 before we left the 5th year.

[mercibucket]

i had rubella jab only at that age, holly

[mrsjay]

god my last post is littered with typos but you get the gist, what I was trying to say is there may be kids young adults older adults un vaccinated everywhere they don't come with a sign and your baby can come into contact with any of them,

[Hulababy]

Even if adults are not vaccinated, I am sure its been reported that children are still at a much greater risk than adults when it comes to contracting measles. Children are usually at a far greater risk of having complications too, and therefore at a greater risk of being hospitalised and even death.

[XBenedict]

I think it's believed that the over 50s are not at such a great risk of getting measles as they would have lived through a couple of epidemics in their life and are probably immune. (I need to double check this though)

[XBenedict]

Adults are more likely to develop severe complications but children are more likely to get the disease in the first place.

[hairtearing]

Do you know they haven't had single jabs?

[infamouspoo]

''I would not take my baby to play with a child that had not been vaccinated'

offs. An unvaccinated child isnt typhoid Mary. Unless they actually have measles they are perfectly safe
My child cannot be vaccinated as he has a medical condition. He also has almost no immune system. Cant say I'm getting hysterical at any of this. He goes to school, he plays with friends. I dont ask to see medical records or shriek at a sniffle.

[Trazzletoes]

Attenuation takes an infectious agent and alters it so that it becomes harmless or less virulent

Yes. HollyBerryBush harmless. If it is harmless, how will it infect others, please?

I'm genuinely interested - my DD is about to have her first dose of MMR. My DS has a compromised immune system. His consultant has made it perfectly clear that DD getting vaccinated causes NO risk at all to DS. I'm interested to know what medical studies you have to show differently.

[Trazzletoes]

Just read your post XBenedict

Still would like to know why Holly thinks its so likely that newly vaccinated children will be spreading measles willy-nilly though.