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AIBU?

To think that children should learn to swim without goggles first?

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GoggleEyed · 29/06/2011 22:19

This will out me so I have namechanged.

Now, I am not an eloquent debater like some on here, but here are my thoughts.

Swimming is a life saving skill. That is, if you child falls into a dam/river/lake/pool/off a boat/et al, then they are able to either swim to safety or hold themselves up long enough for help to be forthcoming in the shape of a lifeguard/parent/etc.
The first few seconds reactions can make the difference between drowning and surviving. If the first thought your child has is 'oh my goodness, water is getting in my eyes, I dont have my goggles' then they are necessarily NOT thinking about swimming. They are freaking out about goggles instead.

Once they are competent enough to swim to safety, say a distance of, dunno, 50 metres? (which would be more than sufficient in most cases, unless in the sea/lake) then by all means, give them goggles and they can work on correcting their stroke and distance endurance or whatever. But first and foremost, I believe, that we all teach our children to swim to help them should they accidentally go into a body of water. Yes, it is fun, but it SAVES LIVES.

Swimming lessons for babies and early toddlers are about getting them used to water and feeling comfortable in water and around water. Teaching them SAFETY about water, getting in and out safely. Later, as they progress with their familiarity they start to work on back stroke and free style.

So, AIBU in thinking that we should teach them without goggles first and how to potentially save their life THEN with goggles? Because how many people walk around, even sail around, with a set of goggle strapped on in case they fall in. In fact I dont think I have ever seen a pre-emptive goggle wearer! Grin

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Vibrant · 01/07/2011 19:25

Of course they don't need goggles to be able to learn to swim properly. I can remember getting my first pair for Christmas when they first came out, and I was swimming competitively at the time. And dd refuses to wear any and is doing perfectly well in her swimming.

They do help with vision, reducing glare if you're doing open water swimming, help immensely in the sea and stop eyes getting sore with the chlorine, and of course optical ones are a great invention - but I don't think they're essential to be able to learn strokes properly.

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Andrewofgg · 01/07/2011 18:41

Step, sorry, but that's bollocks. I learnt all the strokes without goggles and while I don't swim well I can swim!

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Step · 01/07/2011 13:38

I've two step kids. Both swim well... very well. The ten year old knocks out 2km for fun when swimming with us. They attend swim club once a week, and in the the summer do open water as well as a couple of pool sessions.

The youngest has always worn goggles in the pool. The chlorine in the water burns his eyes. The eldest learnt without as a baby. After the just float stage however both wore goggles both because they wanted to, and we wanted them to.

If kids are to learn to swim properly and not just propel themselves forward in the water then they need goggles. Head up breaststroke is fine for pottering around, but to even swim BS properly you need goggles. Freestyle is a whole different ball game, your head is in the water more than out of it and try sighting open water without goggles, by the time you've focussed your heads back in the water.

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BrigitBigKnickers · 01/07/2011 13:31

I suffer an extreme reaction to chlorine- my eyes turn red and will literally stream all day if I swim without goggles.

If my swimming teacher had insisted on me swimming without goggles I would never had learned to swim in the first place.

Have no such problem in the sea or fresh water.

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busymum34 · 01/07/2011 13:20

DS1 HAS to wear prescription goggles for swimming, if he didn't, he wouldn't see a thing :(

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Andrewofgg · 01/07/2011 13:17

In the absence of medical evidence that the child's eyes cannot safely be exposed to the water in the pool - not jsut some fussy parent's preferences - no goggles. And no arguments.

Being able to swim with goggles is fun. Being able to swim without them may save your life.

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quimbledonsemi · 30/06/2011 23:18

I think if the getting water in your eyes is a barrier to you learning to swim you should wear goggles.

I think the lack of goggles wouldn't be the only thing that would throw you in a potential drowning situation. The liklihood is that you won't be in your local pool with clean, chlorinated water. But in murky water, getting mud and bits of plant in your eye. I think the lack of goggles would be the least of your worries tbh.

YABU.

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mercibucket · 30/06/2011 22:38

goggles leak anyway so they're bound to have experienced 'water in the eyes' at some point

chlorinated water is horrible to swim in. I had to stop swimming eventually when I was 16 cos of hideous reactions to it - nothing serious but bright red eyes etc - wouldn't want my kids to develop the same reaction

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urbanproserpine · 30/06/2011 22:37

Duh, realised it's already on there. Not to self to read ALL posts before posting

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urbanproserpine · 30/06/2011 22:32

Gals, as you discussing this, I urge you to read this scary sobering article from a life guard about what drowning really looks like. Might focus the mind a bit. Gave me sleepless nights, but now you've reminded me I am going to book swimming lessons for the 5YO.

mariovittone.com/2010/05/154/

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Crosshair · 30/06/2011 22:12

I tend to panic and sink if water gets in my eyes.Blush

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Pachelbel · 30/06/2011 22:06

amsterdamster I hadn't opened my eyes underwater for years until I was forced to when doing my pool lifeguard qualification.
I'd built it up into a big thing and was convinced it would sting my eyes and give me the bloodshot look of someone who hadn't slept for 10years, but after 5days of having to resuce dummies from the bottom of the pool I realised it was fine.

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Pachelbel · 30/06/2011 21:59

Another opportunity to post this link , which I know has done the rounds, but as a qualified Lifeguard I feel is really important.

IMO, I don't think a child who was in serious trouble in the water would be hindered by the fact they were not wearing goggles.
Human nature puts into practice something called the instinctive drowning response which would ensure they used any swimming ability they had learnt and override any realisation that they are not wearing the goggles they are used to.

I understand your frustration at the swimming teacher though goggleeyed, if you had made a request and explained your reasoning then this should have been listened to.

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amsterdamster · 29/06/2011 23:37

Oooh, interesting one - I've always wondered about this one. I'm fairly happy in the water, although not particularly skilled - but I can't put my head underneath without goggles, so usually end up swimming with head above water as they are not much of a fashion statement! I've often attempted minus goggles but can't manage it. Now I don't know if this is because I wasn't taught that way or if it's just because I'm a bit of a wimp. I was planning on goggles for my little ones but I can see they will already be much more sporty than me (coordination, confidence etc) so maybe should try without first. Yet am also worried about water stinging eyes and so on.

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MsTeak · 29/06/2011 23:08

I suppose I'm just saying that survival instinct is more important than goggles, and surely if they have lessons they will learn enough.
But I ma quite drunk, so who knows what I'm saying. I think I will syop posting.

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scurryfunge · 29/06/2011 23:07

MsTeak, if you can't remember your postings then you need to read the threads you are on. Go to bed now Grin

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GoggleEyed · 29/06/2011 23:06

MsTeak - I care about my childrens survival near and in water and in the case of an emergency especially. Thats why I give a fuck. But I accept all opinions are not the same, so thank you for your contribution. Wine?

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GoggleEyed · 29/06/2011 23:05

'Survival swimming is good and not enough of it is covered in my opinion but I am also frustrated by technique only being taught once the kids are up at a certain distance - sometimes teaching good technique will help even the unnatural swimmers. I would rather see them learn one stroke well than bugger about with butterfly legs, breast stoke, backstroke and freestyle (generally doggy paddle and a bit of splashing up to 15 / 20m) etc.'

Yes, I think they should be taught this first too. Then do strokes and whatever. As I said in my op, I am not the most eloquent, but that is one of the points I was trying (badly!) to get across.

Pointy - yes, once reasonably confident and mature. Thats the crux. It is toddlers who are at risk more so than older children who understand about the goggles/swimming/survival thing. My point was, ok , badly worded, that toddlers should be taught to save themselves without goggles. Toddlers would worry about goggles. And we all know they obsess about the oddest things in the strangest of situations!! Grin

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MsTeak · 29/06/2011 23:05

yes I am. Was it twatty though? What was it?

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scurryfunge · 29/06/2011 23:04

You just posted something equally twatty on another thread MsTeak. Are you pissed?

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MsTeak · 29/06/2011 23:03

I can't imagine how you could possibly give enough of a fuck to think about this. But if you really do care, then bless your little goggly heart.

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Spatz · 29/06/2011 23:01

Hurrah for weird Aussies Grin.

My two learnt good stroke techniques - head in water with goggles from first lessons. Life-saving type stuff - pjs, treading water etc came later when they were confident.
It certainly worked for them - they are now great swimmers and safe too.

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pointydog · 29/06/2011 22:57

yabu

It's bloody uncomfortable getting chlorinated water in your eyes. That'd soon put off loads of kids.

I found my kids ended up coping very well without goggles but not enjoying it, naturally enough. They never 'freaked out' about goggles, once reasonably confident and mature.

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toolatehadyourchancemuffedit · 29/06/2011 22:55

Survival swimming is good and not enough of it is covered in my opinion but I am also frustrated by technique only being taught once the kids are up at a certain distance - sometimes teaching good technique will help even the unnatural swimmers. I would rather see them learn one stroke well than bugger about with butterfly legs, breast stoke, backstroke and freestyle (generally doggy paddle and a bit of splashing up to 15 / 20m) etc.

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GoggleEyed · 29/06/2011 22:52

Alcopop - Like your style! When teaching sailing in small two man boats we used to deliberately capsize the beginners! They are the most likely to go over anyway and need the practise for when we arent there!

Also, Spatz, am an Aussie Grin Maybe we are all just weird!

We arent up to badge stage yet. Have told them they have to keep going, non-negotiable, until they can swim at least 50m. We are still at the flailing frog stage!

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