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strawberryshark · 04/08/2023 17:07

Hi all, first time poster! My partner and I are coming towards the end of Stage 1 and I wondered how everyone else shares adoption admin please?

I manage most of our household admin, finances etc. as my partner really struggles with things like that - he’s more of a practical person.

He’s very on board with adopting but (as with other things!) I’ve had to take the lead with replying to emails, sending our documents etc. I feel like my assessments will be much more thorough as I spent a lot more time on them and am a lot more confident with my writing.

Probably overthinking but is this normal? Might it reflect badly on us if it appears I’m leading the charge? I feel household/parent admin often seem to fall to mums (huge generalisation, sorry, but from speaking to friends!) so is it just the same with adopting?

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Torvy · 04/08/2023 19:18

Ok, so I have a lot of thoughts on this because it is the biggest issue we have in our house so we talk about it a lot. Some of the thoughts i have are outlined below, and are based on what we found changed with adoption.

I would be wary about allowing him to take a back seat because what happens if something happens to you? Would he know the passwords to egress, was he assiduously cced into any emails, would he be able to have the insight into what was going on? We use the phrase "no single point of failure", from disaster planning. It basically means that we refuse to run our lives in a way where the other party is unable to pick up what the other does. For example, my other half is the main breadwinner at the moment, but if she is sick I have maintained the capacity to work and bring in a similar wage if we had to. We both know how the boiler works and the social worker emails and which dentist the boys are at, even if I mainly do the practical boiler fixing and she takes them to the dentist. It's not just about bad principle of fairness or equality, it is about continuity for your child. God forbid the worst happens, but you have to spread the risk, and the knowledge of the adoption journey is too important to be left to chance. So all parties should have the capacity to take part and take the lead in a realistically competent way (not just a I could if i HAD to kind of way because you dont want to be learning where the boiler refill valve is if your partner is incapacitated and you have a traumatised child who is becoming more frustrated that their bath isnt working) even if they don't usually do that. The same goes for admin. If you break your leg and can't be contacted, or need to go for a funeral, you don't need him calling you asking what the social worker managers name is because you need to report something. I would cover your bases! Panel were impressed because they said it showed clearly we had thought about every eventuality. The reality of it was that we had argued so much about it that we have very clear rules and renegotiate household division of labour every few months to account for changing patterns of work and level of input. Plus boredom- emptying the dishwasher or planning meals every day gets boring and hard. So is answering the million emails from a social worker or entering dates into your diary for chasing up on the dates they said whilst you are watching tv at night, and resentment grows when you are double screening and your partner is dozing through the latest episode of whatever you are bingewatching. At first everything seems like a novelty, but ultimately it becomes a chore.l, so treat it as such.

That being said, having one person on point at a time is often helpful, and we found my partner was more able to take phonecalls at the last minute, which was useful. It's worth considering who is available in working hours, who has better written language, who can respond to emails promptly etc. However, we agreed in advance that this would have a daily cap- so only one or two emails would go by without her making a specific effort to check in with me about what had been said and for us to agree next steps. Sometimes for example I would get an email, forward it to her to write a response we had discussed, then she would send it to me to send back to rhe social worker. It also meant we didn't miss things. (Yes, our social workers hated us)

We also balanced this with a desire to sometimes play good cop bad cop. Sometime social workers need a reminder, and I would send a nice email, then she would follow with a more formal email to ensure the message was driven home that action needed to be taken. We also proof read emails we are sending to make sure we hit the right tone and have joint enterprise for any shit we know we are going to Stir up. Checks and balances are the name of the game when it comes to getting the right level of forcefulness with actually maintaining a relationship with people!

It might also be worth considering what patterns are being set up for the long run. As the stay at home parent, my brain was absolutely frazzled by being home with two small kids. I could barely answer the phone without the screaming starting because they couldn't have my attention away from them, I was knackered because they needed me throughout the night and i had a memory like a fish because i was too busy trying to remember how to make the oven cook but not brown alphabet bites every bloody night. I NEEDED her to take the phone calls from the social workers and put stuff in our family diary because I was a hot mess of a human being, but they were used to it because we shared the load equally and I told them I needed them to speak to her and we would make any important decisions together. It's worth remembering or considering that you will get little to no admin done during the day with kids if they are anything like mine. I once tried all day to reply to a text from my lovelynwife only to sit down at 7 and realise I had never actually finished it.

Admin is also a task to solidly add into your division of labour when the kids arrive. Adoption admin tends to run into childcare admin, and I'm telling you now, it can be an absolute ballache. Some people don't find it so, but because we wanted all the gory details, to tie up as many knots as we could, we went though everything together.

If your husband finds it hard, maybe you could chat about ways to help him manage this? For example, we tabled topics we knew would need discussion for long car journeys. In fact, we once deliberately picked up bikes from the coast so that we had a reason to take 4 hours in the car to discuss the kids cprs and decide on an approach. She also reads out important emails out loud to me in the evening. We each use our family calendar religiously to set follow up reminders so that we are both responsible for that. We divide any research on topics (for example what baby monitor to use vs what nursery we wanted) and do them both for a set time period so that it feels fair.

Also, if you do all the admin, you arrange stuff to suit you, not him. So meetings and phone calls naturally get arranged on your time not his, and it snowballs easily. Extrapolate that to thatband the kids stuff as well and suddenly he is palying golf on a Saturday and you can't see friends because you are taking the kids to their football tournament.

Ultimately you have to be willing to have a very real conversation about what this will look like. Don't get sucked into the "because I'm at home I will just...." because that does a disservice to the work you are putting into caring for a child and also potentially setting poor role modelling up for any children. Although we are a same sex partnership, it would be easy for us to fall into relatively stereotypical gender norms or dynamics, and we are keen that our boys don't learn that whoever is at home somehow is responsible for knowing when everyone's dentist appointment is!

Also to consider is what does adoption admin involve? Because for us it is contact with social workers, texting the foster carers, filling in DLA forms, exercise logs, forms for swimming lessons, phoencalls with the gp, being on hold with the car insurance people whilst you try to explain adoption process them, posting court paperwork, adoption allowance forms, all of which require cross referencing dates with previous forms and emails, submitting expense forms, filing for birth certificates, meeting head teachers, researching schools, special schools, trauma informed pratice... the list is endless.

Also, don't underestimate how things you think you have sorted out in your relationship become real bones of contention when you are on your knees with tiredness and your child just won't stop screaming because they don't want cheese on their cheese and tomato pizza and your partner doesn't put his mug in the dishwasher again. We have cried over less!

Anyway, we have thought a lot about this, hopefully some of the thoughts above will prompt some conversations, even if you just think we are both just a bit OTT and don't need to do any of this stuff at all!

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GracieHC · 04/08/2023 19:58

I am a woman and my husband is the one that takes care of most of the admin in life and with the adoption process.
Even after placement he’s still the one that does most of the leg work with the social workers and foster carers etc etc - I’m just a bit of an introvert. It’s never been an issue for us during the whole process.

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Patchyman1 · 04/08/2023 20:14

I think a lot of contact came to me as during the process it was easier in my job to take phonecalls etc.
Now the boys are older we have kind of split them one each! I am 1st contact for 1 school, husband is for the other. Used to be me for both at mainstream but I was drowning in phonecalls and form filling! Medical appointments is whoever day off it falls on (one of us is always available due to having reduced hours as ut all got too much.) One of the boys for example has a hospital clinic appointment which is always a Tuesday, husband doesn't work then but I do so he takes him. Have found this way it kind of works out equally! We've even gone as far with the pets! He does the dog I do the bunny!

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sunshineandskyscrapers · 04/08/2023 22:02

I am a single adopter so I can't really advise on the best way to divide up admin. It all falls on me and I am the single point of failure. I would have thought your assessing social worker would be familiar with couples who balance each other out and is unlikely to object to one person taking on the admin, as long as the other is committed to the process and bringing other qualities to the plate. And that both of you are comfortable with what the other brings (and doesn't bring).

What I will say is adoption admin does not end at the point of the adoption order.

The admin around having a school-age child is something that parents will need to deal with most days: payments for school lunches and swimming lessons, registering for clubs, emails from school, parents whatsapp group, appointments for dentist, doctor, haircut, permission slips for trips, ordering uniform (more frequently than you'd think) ...

In addition to the 'normal' level of kid admin, you can expect to have an extra level of admin due to your child being adopted, depending on their needs. It's been a fairly busy couple of months for me in terms of dealing with support services, I've just counted up 32 sent emails on my personal email account in the last two months that are directly related to having an adopted child with some (not many) low-level support needs (school SENCo, Educational Psychologist, postbox, post-adoption support, occupational therapist...). This is just emails. There have been phone calls, forms, appointments and meetings with the school as well. And this is not a new adoption. We are seven years in.

I am incredibly lucky in that I work in a job that allows me to be flexible and take the time I need to manage all of this. I know stage 1 feels like a lot of admin, but really when you look at the long-term picture, however you split this with your OH, you need to be prepared for a significant ramp-up in the years to come.

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Torvy · 05/08/2023 06:33

@sunshineandskyscrapers being a single adopter must be really hard, and I apologise if the single point of failure reference sounded judgemental- its a phrase we use because it accurately described what we were trying to achieve between the two of us. On reflection it sounds a bit dramatic! (It is a disaster planning phrase, so I guess that's why, but I should still remember that!) I'm sorry!

You are also right about the social workers being familiar with couples with a different dynamic. You are right in that we found helpful that we could explain how we had extensively considered this dynamic throughout the Stage 2 process and how it would help us parent children, evidence that we could deal with conflict etc, but that required us to both acknowledge our own limitations and strengths.

A lot to think about!

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sunshineandskyscrapers · 05/08/2023 08:51

@Torvy No offence taken at all. I use the phrase single point of failure in my work a lot as something to avoid at all costs. In my home life I certainly am one though. I do have a good support network which has got me through when I needed hospital treatment but in terms of admin, if I don't do it nobody will. There are plenty of single adopters and single parents generally who are able to shoulder all the admin and so I would have thought, in theory, it should be possible for one person in a couple to take it all on. It is a lot though. I was interested to read the previous posters' comments on how different families do this, and I think it's important for the OP to see that there are many possible solutions so that she can find out what works for her, and more importantly what she'll be happy with that won't cause resentment with her partner further down the line.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 09:39

Probably overthinking but is this normal? Might it reflect badly on us if it appears I’m leading the charge? I feel household/parent admin often seem to fall to mums (huge generalisation, sorry, but from speaking to friends!) so is it just the same with adopting?

You are overthinking it. Different households have different ways of doing things, it’s not unusual for one person in a couple to carry the adoption admin. From a practical point of view different people have different strengths and it’s often easier for one person to keep on top of emails etc. As long as you are both actively engaged in the process (ie doing any reading, completing reflective exercises etc), both know what’s going on in the process and there’s no resentment about one person carrying more of the admin load the social worker isn’t going to be too worried about who’s doing what.

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strawberryshark · 05/08/2023 10:05

Thanks for all of your comments - glad to have that reassurance that whatever works for us, will work for the social worker.

Also some great points about how things change post-adoption and having those conversations early about how things will be managed to avoid overwhelm! Really appreciate hearing how different families work.

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Remy7 · 05/08/2023 11:28

Hiya
I do all (well, most of) our life admin. I'm a planner and I stay on top of it better. If my partner does things we end up on the last minute or miss things. We regularly have times when we sit down to recap things and check on appointment dates, decisions etc so although I do most of the tasks I'm not on my own with the mental load.
We both acknowledge each others skills and were honest with our social worker about what works for us.
Can also agree that the adoption admin for us is still a busy one even post adoption order too.
Good luck with it all x

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ifchocolatewerecelery · 05/08/2023 12:09

Adoption admin was a discussion we had at the very start when we realised how much there was. It's my responsibility, my background means that I am more confident in this area and my written skills are much better. I know what's due and when.

To answer the question about single point of failure

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ifchocolatewerecelery · 05/08/2023 12:21

Oops, thanks to the cat posted too soon!

Single point of failure issues are dealt with by having filed paper copies of important conversations. Phone calls are followed up with emails detailing/confirming the conversation and the emails are printed out and filed appropriately. Medical appointments and school events are on the fridge and filed appropriately once over. The details are sent on WhatsApp either as a photo or screen shot. We have conversations about the outcome of appointments once they've happened and any follow up letters are also filed for future reference.

All correspondence to/from birth family done via letterbox is filed in date order alternating our letter with the response. For direct contact with sibling I always write up a summary of what we did and talked about along with the photos we took that day.

For me it's not just about making it easy for my OH to pick up should something happen to me, it's also about making it easy for my kids to understand this information. They won't always be children and at some point this is information they might/will want to know so it needs to be easy to use/access/understand from their point of view too.

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Julyandraining · 08/08/2023 17:17

I dealt with all the adoption admin, like I do the household admin. All social worker emails came to me, all paperwork I sent to them was from me.
I work from home, my OH has a job where he sees patients/has appointments.
Even now, 5 years on, I write letterbox, organise meetings with half-siblings, photos etc.
It's just easier, and quicker, if I did/do things.

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