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Foster to adopt - when it goes wrong.

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Roodle2 · 25/04/2015 21:48

We recently fostered a baby girl, on the Foster to Adopt route. After a year, a family member came forward and she went to him. We are devastated by this loss and I was wondering if there was anyone else out there who had experienced the same thing. It's been nearly a year since she left us but it doesn't seem to be getting any easier to deal with.

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oasiswaterpool · 05/05/2015 21:14

Floatyjosmum, they are trying to move forward for a Placement Order at the moment. The child is older and been back in foster care since an aunt was found to not being providing sufficient care.

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bradbury62 · 06/05/2015 00:21

Maybe they should make a foster to adopt advertising leaflet out of the comments on this chat. If I'd have read it I certainly wouldn't be in this mess and hopefully no one else would be silly enough to go down this route either.
However I do have an opinion and I'm going to voice it. I'm not fighting for my rights I am fighting for my child's rights. And if this means rubbing people up the wrong way that is the least of my worries.

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Velvet1973 · 06/05/2015 07:24

Hi Bradbury I'm so sorry that you're in this situation, that's the tough but if gusted to adopt. Unfortunately as someone else gas said earlier in the thread this is more about the wrong child being placed for foster to adopt. That said there are no guarantees even if it was the right child.
Sadly at this point in time you are not viewed as prospective parents but the child's foster carers, as such many children move on successfully from foster carers especially at such a young age. Indeed that is Kind of the point of foster to adopt, that shoukd the child not remain with you, you will have given them the best start to enable them the best chance of moving on successfully.
We have done foster to adopt but our son was only placed with us as fosterers AFTER his placement order was issued to try and reduce the uncertainty of this very situation.
My heart utterly breaks for you and I can only try and imagine how hard this is for you but I think at this point you really need to focus on how you will get through this rather than raising your hopes falsely. I think given the young age of your child and that there is a family member that has been deemed suitable there really is no way a court will find in your favour in these circumstances.
I really wish you all the very best.

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bradbury62 · 06/05/2015 07:53

Morning. I think a very good point is made about choosing which children are suitable for foster to adopt but equally I accept ss are in a no win situation as you can never be fully sure.
The answer probably requires a change in the law. I can see that we are viewed as foster carers but that is not the purpose of the scheme and consequently you should have the right to a voice. Equally when a family group conference is held prior to ss deciding their care plan there needs to be legislation to stop people coming forward at a later date. In my instance this is a grandma who didn't even attend the family group conference.
I know that some of the harsh words on this thread are the reality of the situation. I think they would make very good reading for the politicians because without parents like ourselves you don't have children able to access foster to adopt.
I believe there is a heart behind this scheme but it can't beat without more power transferred to the prospective adopter.

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oasiswaterpool · 06/05/2015 08:18

I agree floatyjosmum would definitely need to check no other family members could come forward. This is a 4 year old child not a baby so it would be really unsettling for her if her next move was not her final one as she has gone from parents to foster to family and back to foster care.

I guess you can ask about family members but what able friends of family if they come forward?

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iwishkidslikedtomatoes · 06/05/2015 08:45

As an adopter awaiting the AO with contesting going on I can definitely agree that the feelings of the adopter are at the bottom of the pile, if even on the pile at all and we have no say, I hate it. All our friends and family say, but they could never remove them now? It wouldn't be good for them etc. etc. and I get all angry and mad and agree. However, obviously the child must come first but even I have to admit the birth family must come second and not us, because to make that decision, to cut off birth family's rights is probably the biggest decision any judge in the land has to make because its such a huge loss and because it will be the biggest loss to the child, the impacts of which are great. I want to be able to tell my children that everything was done by birth family that possibly could be BUT there was no other option than a new family. The immense pain you're going through now may very well come later in life if they ignored birth grandma, when they are told that they could have stayed within birth family but didn't and that child has resentment and anger probably at you if you were to actively fight against her wishes, even with the good justifications you have. Therefore, as much as it pains me to say it, we probably shouldn't have any more power. Maybe we should get to say our piece??? But it's not going to count anyway, so really it is just then about letting us feel involved.

Personally, we refused foster to adopt because of this very thing happening. I can only imagine the pain and heartache you are going through right now and how hard the prospect of losing your family, by law or not, must be; it's heartbreaking, if I could reach through the screen and hug you, I would. However I think everything said raises one question only....yes foster to adopt is much better for the child but if the government want to push this as the way forward, how will they recruit adopters? because most will not want to put themselves through the pain you are experiencing and while we may not have a say, they are going to have to atleast think more about the adopter and what the process does to them, if they want any adopters to come forward.

I'm so so sorry Sad

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Velvet1973 · 06/05/2015 10:03

I think the scheme in principal is fantastic but could be hugely improved. As you say Bradbury there should be a cut off for extended family to come forward at the very least. I can't help feeling that the way our f2a was done is a better route in that the placement order was issued and we fostered to avoid a 2-3 month delay of matching panel, intros etc. however our lo was 6 months when he came to us, it shouldn't take 6 months to get to placement order in the majority of cases.
Maybe they need double the sw's on each case to ensure assessments are carried out promptly. Again in the majority of cases where f2a is chosen social services have made the decision before the child is born so we're not talking about them having 6 months from birth to placement order to do these assessments. Many, in particular extended family could and probably should be assesed before birth. The aim should be to get these children into permanent placements as early as possible and not to get them into placements as soon as possible and hope they become permanent.

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framechange · 06/05/2015 11:01

I am very sorry for everyone who loses/lost a child. My heart goes out to you.

We did foster to adopt, and it has all gone well. Child was placed with us after placement order but before matching panel. In fact, intros started the day after PO was granted. There had been a plan to do intros before PO but the LA changed their mind about that at very short notice. Matching panel didn't happen for another 3 months, so fostering to adopt allowed our child to come home 3 months sooner than otherwise. Given child's age, these 3 months were highly significant.

IMO that's precisely what foster to adopt should be. Our LA just brought down the average time from PO to matching panel to just under 6 months. This, to me, is a major problem - especially given that apparently there are lots of prospective adopters waiting, so it is not a problem of not being able to recruit adopters. It is a shame for children to 'lose' half a year like that. Half a year makes a huge difference to a 12 months old baby, or to a 2 year old toddler, and even to a 4 year old who will be about to start school - in fact any child at any age will have major things happening within half a year, so it is never really ok to say 'what is half a year more or less'.

This time between PO and matching panel could be shortened by more efficient linking processes (which can start before PO has been granted), and by shortening the wait for panel dates to come up once a child has been 'linked'. But whilst the time to matching panel is still so long, it is the prospective adopters who can shorten that time by agreeing to foster-to-adopt. They take a risk, certainly - but the risk is not that there will be no placement order (as it has already been granted), but simply that matching panel will not agree with the match. And this is a risk that is much more palatable, I'd say. They also potentially take on extra duties - there may still be occasional ongoing contact, or a final 'good bye contact' coming up, they may have to write foster carer reports, etc. But again these are things that many prospective adopters will be willing to deal with.

However, IMO it is a completely different thing pre-placement order. When SS are still assessing birth family, they should in my opinion, and I believe it is actually also the law, also be assessing how they could HELP any birth family members to be able to raise the child. E.g. they should not not just say 'child's auntie x lives in a bedsit which is unsuitable for having children, hence we will rule her out even though she might in other circumstances be a great choice for placing this child with'. But rather they should say 'auntie x might be an option, so we will assess her situation as to how she could be supported to be able to raise the child - would she need to be supplied with a council flat?' I know that in reality SWs often only assess the status quo, but as I said I believe they ought to also assess how someone could be supported to enable placement of a child with them. In other words, before a PO has been granted, SS should be making every effort to enable the child, who is currently in foster care, to return to the birth family.
Now SS may realise that chances are slim that a particular child will be able to return to birth family, despite their best efforts. So at the same time (concurrently) as they are planning/working towards solutions for returning the child to birth family, they can start working towards 'plan b' - so that once it has become certain (i.e. placement order granted) the planning for adoption does not have to start at scratch, but is already well under way. And because they are making plans for both pathways at the same time (returning to birth family/adoption), this is called concurrent planning. It is important to note that technically in these cases, adoption is always 'plan b' - even if it the more likely outcome.

Now it seems to me that situations that are actually cases of 'concurrent planning' are being sold to prospective adopters as 'foster to adopt' cases. It is not primarily the terminology that is the problem, but rather how the prospective adopters are informed and prepared. Concurrency carers should always be absolutely aware that SS are still assessing birth family, and are ideally also assessing how they could provide support enabling the child to return to the birth family. Concurrency carers should be aware that adoption is only 'plan b'. In fact, concurrency carers should be willing to support the child's return to birth family. E.g. they should be happy to show BM how best to settle the baby, or to help an auntie get to know the child. They should be non-judgemental, and although they would be happy to adopt the child if 'plan a' fails, they too should - in theory - be primarily working towards and supporting 'plan a' i.e. a return to the birth family.

Most prospective adopters, even if they would be happy to do fostering-to-adopt, would NOT be willing to be concurrency carers. And it is totally unfair of SS to sell what are in reality concurrency situations to prospective adopters by claiming that they are essentially foster-to-adopt situations.

I believe that some of this happens because many SWs are not too clear themselves about the differences between concurrency and fostering-to-adopt (and I don't mean just the terminology). But I have to admit that I also harbour a suspicion: Given that the number of placement orders has reduced by 2500 in the last year, but presumably the same number of children have been taken into care as previously, I think it is likely that many LAs are struggling to find enough foster placements for their children. There are many prospective adopters around, waiting for a match - so why not use them? I suspect that in some cases, SS are placing children with adopters under the 'foster-to-adopt' label simply because they do not have enough foster care places. Children who would never usually have gone into such a scheme.

I am afraid that if you have fostered-to-adopt a child but the judges decide the child is to move on, there is nothing you can do to change that. What you could do, if you so wished (and if you were not hurting too much) - make complaints. Your LA should not have placed this child with you under the pretence that it was a foster-to-adopt situation when in fact it was a concurrency situation. They should not have misused you as foster carers because they were short of foster places.

But it would be a hard fight, to get such a complaint acknowledged. With potentially little to no benefit to yourself. And seeing as you maybe are still hoping to adopt in the future (once the pain of your current loss is no longer quite as acute as it is now) I can imagine that few if any people in such sad situations actually do make a complaint. Which is perfectly understandable and justified. It is this utter dependence on adoption agencies which allows things to go on unchanged.

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fasparent · 06/05/2015 11:06

Think in some recent situations has been given precedent too court ruling and judgment rather than child's best interest, from experience children moved at a just 3 days notice moved in within one week, despite on-going development and medical issues., LA's and social worker's have no power over these judgments in such situations sadly. , Ok if it's too be it's too be but should move at a slower pace for many reasons too be sure support and training is in place prior too any move.

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iwishkidslikedtomatoes · 06/05/2015 12:38

Foster to adopt was described to us children bring placed with adopter so as to remove any need for foster carer. The idea being that it's better for children as no move. We were told this would be prior to PO, not after. This seems to be concurrent planning then! But you are right, the terms seems to be being used interchangeably, at least in my experience. We were told this was what the government wanted more of and would become more common BUT it would be used in cases were adoption was very very likely but we had to be aware the risk was there. For us, a couple with no children, the idea just seemed unimaginable, hence my post.

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iwishkidslikedtomatoes · 06/05/2015 12:49

Foster to adopt at point of PO I think is a good idea and one I would have been more open too. With regards extended family coming forward, I can't see it ever being an earlier cut off than right up to AO, as will be in best interest of child always to remain with birth family if assessed as 'good enough parenting' being provided. But risk is there even for us, who did not do Foster to adopt, just less likely as more time has passed due to later placement of children.

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Anton38 · 12/10/2018 20:18

We have recently had a fta placement that went horribly wrong.
We where unaware that the family members where total exempt from the same intrusive assessment that we where subjected to!
They don’t even have to be related to the child. It’s bonkers and this process is not about the child anymore!

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Kr1stina · 12/10/2018 20:39

Anton - I’m sorry to hear about what has happened to you. But It you would be better to start a new thread of your own for support. This one is more than three years old , so people may read and post about the OP ( not noticing the date) and miss your post altogether.

Just click on “ start new thread on this topic” at the top of the page.

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Anton38 · 12/10/2018 20:46

Ok will do

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