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Guest blog: 'Breast is Best' - has breastfeeding been oversold?

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KateMumsnet · 14/02/2013 14:15

Prof Joan B Wolf is the author of 'Breast Is Best?', which argues that mothers are being pressured to breastfeed for reasons that aren't, in fact, based on good evidence.

In our guest blog debate, she explains why she thinks that the science behind the 'breast is best' health claims might be fundamentally flawed. On the same page Anna Burbidge, Chair of the La Leche League, responds to some of her arguments.

Do read both, and let us know what you think. Is breastfeeding being promoted as part of "an ideology of total motherhood that stipulates that a mother can and should eliminate any risk to her children, regardless of how small or likely the risk or what the cost is to her own wellbeing in the process"? Or do you feel that, far from breastfeeding being an orthodoxy, society still feels awkward and uncomfortable about it? If you blog, don't forget to post your URLs here.

We know the breastfeeding/formula feeding thing is a hugely emotive subject on MN, as in real life, so please do remember that Mumsnet supports parents' personal choices on this issue - we're all about making lives easier. Please be kind and respectful towards those whose views or experiences differ from your own.

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KatieMiddleton · 14/02/2013 17:29

Personally I don't care how you feed but I care how you feel about it.

If you wanted to feed and didn't get enough support I care about that because that's wrong.

If you didn't want to feed and someone said or implied you are a bad or inadequate mother I care because that's wrong.

If you we're given misinformation I care because that is wrong.


I will read the blogs later, assuming the resulting bunfight hasn't melted the interweb.

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 17:30

And , it's interesting how opinions about vb vs cs (ELCS in particular) also can trigger a similar gulf - and extreme points of view. As in, the 'naturalness' of vb and bf are somehow associated/enmeshed and pitted against the 'unnaturalness' of cs and ff. Its as if cs+ff= bad, vb+bf=good. These are not my opinions, btw, just something I've noticed.

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stargirl1701 · 14/02/2013 18:08

YY to Plenty. I wanted to bf. I cried at every feed for 9 days post birth. On the 10th day, I was admitted to hospital with blood poisoning from infective mastitis. I kept bfing for the next 8 days while in the hospital attached to 2 IV lines.

My right nipple had a giant crack and a milk blister. The milk I was pumping out of it was green and solid like a string of spaghetti. But, I was determined. I fed from the left with a nipple shield and topped up with formula. I got home and it all fell apart. Alone (as DH back at work) bfing 30min, expressed milk top up, formula top up, then 30 min pump on the right. It took 90 min and dd was feeding every 2 hours. After 12 hours of this I gave in and ff.

I was seen by at least 50 HCPs in these 18 days. Everyone told me the latch was good. It wasn't as it fucking hurt and my nipples were shredded. It won't be a surprise to many to know that dd had a posterior tt. I was in a hospital, with a surgeon who cuts tts, and not one HCP suggested we should maybe check for that.

I have since relactated and I am managing to get a latch in the morning when dd is sleepy. I finally have some good bf memories and experiences. The assistance to do this has been from the LLL.

We don't need money in bf promotion. The vast majority of women want to bf. The money needs to be put into supporting women to bf. We need lactation consultants on wards, we need dentists and doctors able to spot and cut tts, we need RL help from community midwives in our homes in the first 2 weeks. If staffing levels were higher then there could be more support. This is where the money needs to go.

By Jove, this was epic!

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Whydobabiescry · 14/02/2013 18:10

I don't have much to add only that ff feeders are definitely seen as second class mothers by some health care professionals. This was reinforced for me today when I took my son and dd (6 months) to a sports and family event held at the leisure centre. Whilst my son was trying out netball I wandered around the various stalls getting info on toddler groups, sport for kids etc etc when I stopped for a browse at the one providing info to pregnant mothers. The lady in charge started cooing over dd and what a bonny baby she is etc, then asked me outright if I was breast feeding - why? What business is it of hers? When I said no she looked at me as though I was dirt on her shoe and turned away! This from someone who is supposed to be supporting parents - I almost felt the need to explain why I stopped bfeeding but tbh couldn't be arsed.

There are some very rude pro breast feeders who never stop to think that maybe just maybe there may be good reasons for ff, not just that mum couldn't be bothered.

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reviewerofbooks · 14/02/2013 18:16

What Joan Wolf fails to understand is that breastfeeding is massively enjoyable. We are hormonally wired to love it. It's physically and mentally relaxing, time and money saving, sensually delightful.

And breastmilk = knockout drops. I have had only one truly sleepless night while breastfeeding (when my third child had an ear infection on holiday at 5 weeks). My partner can vouch for this. Once you've got it sorted (and there is nearly always a breastfeeding solution to a breastfeeding problem) it makes life so much easier. I am far too lazy to get up in the night let alone sterilize anything.

As a mum who has breastfed three children and helped many mums to breastfeed over the past 15 years, I feel sad that so many mothers are cheated of this experience that makes a tough job (mothering) a hell of of a lot more pleasant.

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 18:42

^^ Just the sort of attitude I can without as a mother go chose to ff.

Please do not pity me and mothers like me because we wanted to ff our babies.

I was not cheated of the bf experience. I simply did not enjoy it. It was far from "sensually delightful" for me.

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 18:44

Just realised there's going to be a mahoosive bunfight; I may or may not join in

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SolomanDaisy · 14/02/2013 18:59

There's no data in Joan Wolf's post, so it's impossible to judge whether her definition of 'marginal' is the same as mine. Anna Burbridge actually cites a respectable study suggesting that Joan Wolf's arguments are bollocks.

I don't like JW saying 'the kinds of sacrifices breastfeeding demands'. What sacrifices? I don't feel like I sacrificed anything to feed my baby, it'ss easy, we enjoy it, we've all had plenty of sleep. For some women breastfeeding is hard or impossible, but to assert that it necessarily demands sacrifice is patronising to the many women who both want to and enjoy doing it. I would be interested to know her personal experiences of feeding and why she thinks they are universal.

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HeyHeySaturday · 14/02/2013 19:00

physically and mentally relaxing ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

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reviewerofbooks · 14/02/2013 19:02

So much anger. Mothers should be supporting each other not yelling.

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 19:02

Ditto HeyHey

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 19:03

FWIW, I am very supportive of bf mothers but I feel saddened reviewer that the feeling is not reciprocated towards ff mothers (as reflected by your post).

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 19:05

It's more of a pity thing. Pity and patronising ... which cause the feelings of irritation.

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13Iggis · 14/02/2013 19:10

It is physically and mentally relaxing (disclaimer: FOR ME )
And gives me plenty of mumsnetting time whilst doing so.
If I'd never got past those first horrendous weeks though I would have a very different impression of bf. Nowhere near enough support was available.

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 19:14

I think it might be the actual feeding ofthe baby that is physically and mentally relaxing. I certainly feel this way when dd2 has her milk from her bottle.

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reviewerofbooks · 14/02/2013 19:18

When research first began to appear to indicate how damaging smoking was it was poo poohed. There are now in excess of 13,000 reliable research studies showing problems with formula-feeding. Take a look at the Unicef Baby Friendly website to see the most up to date. Mothers who believe it doesn't matter are being duped by those who are incapable of supporting them to establish breastfeeding or by those who have an interest in their not doing so.

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5madthings · 14/02/2013 19:19

It can be relaxing and enjoyable when it works.

Tbh I don't need science to tell me that human milk, tailor made for my baby is better than formula, but if bfeeding doesn't work out formula is fine.

Bfeeding didn't make me lose my individuality or stop dp from bonding with his children.

It isn't disgusting or like taking a dump in public as/has been said on here.

I think there is a problem that breast is best is pushed so much but health professionals are woefully trained when it comes to actually helping women bfeed. There is a lot of misinformation about bfeeding among drs, midwives and HV.

It needs to be personal choice and women should get the appropriate help either way breast or bottle.

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reviewerofbooks · 14/02/2013 19:19

oxytocin. it's the love hormone.

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5madthings · 14/02/2013 19:20

Bfeeding does actually produce hormones which aid sleep and are relaxing.

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 19:22

reviewer can you honestly not see how patronising your posts are?

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 19:23

And just how exactly have mothers been 'duped' with ff?

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ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 14/02/2013 19:24

I don't quite know how to respond to this without being anecdotal.

I knew/know of all the benefits of bf'ing (for the baby and mother) but I don't really think that they are purely the reasons why I chose to bf. To me it just made sense to bf. Why would I give my child second choice when I can give it the milk that it is supposed to have? It didn't make sense to give them another mammals milk. I didn't sit there bf'ing and think 'oh, I'm giving you a few extra IQ points', or 'that has lessened my chance of ovarian cancer.'

When you do bf you also realise that it is about so much more than milk - and those things I don't think can be quantified in a scientific study.

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glenthebattleostrich · 14/02/2013 19:32

I just don't understand how people can argue that anything other than the milk designed for your baby by your body is not best.

At the end of the day, as long as you feed your child I don't really care how. Just don't sit and judge me when I feed my DD.

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reviewerofbooks · 14/02/2013 19:40

To the poster who wants to know how ff mums are being duped I suggest she read "The Politics of Breastfeeding" by Gabrielle Palmer.

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MolotovCocktail · 14/02/2013 19:41

I'm off for a Brew and I'm going to hide this thread now. It's useless trying to explain.

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