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Al1Langdownthecleghole Sun 19-Jul-20 18:10:56

I've just listened on my way home. The episode covered what had happened to Daisy and the many ways she had been let down by her abusers, the police, the CPS and others who should have helped.

It was a difficult listen at times, so many opportunities to hear her were lost. And not only were the men not pursued, but Daisy was charged, on numerous occasions, as far as I could gather, with criminal offences. One charge was even augmented with "hate crime" because of what she called the guy who raped her.

It really made me think about Germaine Greer's assertion about how much men hate women, in this particularly when they are young and poor.

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Al1Langdownthecleghole Sun 19-Jul-20 18:13:08

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BaronessBollyKnickers Sun 19-Jul-20 18:27:12

Screaming at the radio. Police acted criminally. This idea that they did nowt because they were worried about offending Muslims is bollocks. They did nothing because they are lazy, sexist, incompetent arseholes who should be brought to book every last one of them. Yes I heard it. Vexed doesn't cover it.

BaronessBollyKnickers Sun 19-Jul-20 18:29:34

And yes to the GG quote. (I watched the Germaine Bloody Greer thing and enjoyed it so thanks to whoever it was on here that recommended it.)

Al1Langdownthecleghole Sun 19-Jul-20 18:36:07

Agree with you re wanting to scream at the radio. But sickened. That poor girl. It's a very disturbing story. More so with the details.

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Trews2019 Sun 19-Jul-20 19:16:09

I listened to it too. A very distressing listen with no sign of any peace of mind for Daisy. Mabs Hussain Assistant Chief Constable of GMP with his non-apology gave me no confidence that things would be any different now or that he even believed her.

MannymanMunroe Sun 19-Jul-20 19:26:04

If the police can go after people within Muslim communities, to surveil, gather evidence and prevent terrorism attacks, then they are not afraid of the cultural sensitivities and racism accusations that might be the result of such activity. The truth is that the police is institutionally misogynist, and use any excuse to not pursue crimes committed against women.

wellbehavedwomen Sun 19-Jul-20 22:43:28

Oh God. I'd never paused to consider that, but it's true, isn't it? Where terrorism is concerned, there's been no hesitation in profiling and monitoring. When it comes to girls and sexual exploitation, they're lower down the priority list than anything or anyone else.

Worth noting that the Centre for Women's Justice are the people supporting Daisy in her action against the police and the CPS. They're also the org who compiled the evidence against the CPS on their failures to see more than 1.5% of reported rapists even charged. They're absolutely amazing and if anyone has any charitable funds going spare right now, they could really, really use a small monthly sub.

I know I go on about them but I genuinely am not in any way connected! I've just seen their name at the bottom of news reports on so many important cases where women are seeking justice. They stand up for women's rights at a time when, as we all know, that's becoming increasingly, and frighteningly, rare.

InTheWings Sun 19-Jul-20 22:50:28

I wanted to give her a job. A good job with prospects.

Utterly shocking, what happened to her.

MannymanMunroe Sun 19-Jul-20 23:00:08

Can I just add that I absolutely believe that the men who committed these acts were racially and ideologically motivated, and the girls should be counted as victims of hate crimes as well as sex crimes.

I'm halfway through watching this incredible survivor on Triggernometry

*Edited by MNHQ to let you know this video contains content some people may find disturbing, upsetting or triggering*

I'm a Grooming Gang Survivor

Abitofalark Sun 19-Jul-20 23:10:31

I tried to listen to this but only lasted for three minutes. I see from comments above that Harriet Wistrich is taking a case forward for the girls. Good. She is a warrior.
While I was looking at the BBC Radio 4 schedule I noticed an interesting topic for tonight's Thinking Allowed at 12 15 am, which could be applicable in Rochdale and other places of mass sexual abuse of girls, as well as other current cases of public policy and administration: " Ignorance
Strategic ignorance and knowledge resistance: Laurie Taylor talks to Mikael Klintman, Professor of Sociology at the University of Lund, Sweden about our capacity for resisting insights from others. At all levels of society, he argues, our world is becoming increasingly dominated by an inability, even refusal, to engage with others' ideas. It does not bode well either for democracy or for science. They're joined by Linsey McGoey, Professor of Sociology at the University at Essex, whose new study explores the use of deliberate and wilful ignorance by elites in pursuit of the retention of power - from News International's hacking scandal to the fire at Grenfell Tower."

InTheWings Mon 20-Jul-20 10:47:50

Did you listen, Abitofalark?

Might try it on catch up.

I think that alongside the entrenched misogyny and judgemental beliefs about ‘good’ girls and women, there is a complete lack of knowledge and understanding about how girls and young women present in distress. All the norms and benchmarks about behaviour seem to be male. Daisy’s drinking and running away, lashing out and self defence, none of it recognised as distress or trauma.

Even the wooden statements from the police. They are STILL blaming her. They have not proven themselves to be safe for her, in fact the opposite. All the trauma she suffered is now passed to the police because they pretended to take up the burden by prosecuting her abusers and protecting her. And are now being defensive ‘she contacted us / we commit to protecting her but she still won’t cooperate’.

Where was the unconditional ‘we, the police and CPS behaved in a way that was both directly abusive and compounded existing abuse. Because if this we undermined our ability to do our job, catching the perpetrators. It is our fault that Daisy is unable to work with us. We lied to her and put her at risk. We were incompetent and not fit for purpose as a police force”.

Abitofalark Mon 20-Jul-20 13:30:14

Yes it did keep me listening all the way through and there was quite a lot in it apart from a few minutes of filler, reading out emails: knowledge resistance universal, found in science, academia, corporate life; group loyalty; how economists focus on their own path, not the path to knowledge; sociologists not wanting a genetic or evolutionary cause for the universal male tendency to control women and be violent, preferring instead cultural cause; ignorance at the top of corporations and knowledge not disclosed publicly in pharmaceutical testing but dangerous for those lower down and whistleblowers; ignorance of the law excuse for top people e.g. the news hacking scandal; knowledge about the pandemic and the role of the media.

You can download it as a podcast as well as listen on catch up.

DrDavidBanner Mon 20-Jul-20 14:15:55

Thats a really good point Manny I never really thought of it that way.

I listened to the podcast, it was terrifying and heartbreaking. The police really do need to answer for their failings. The poor girl is so brave and has been treated appalingly, and I'm sure shes not the only one, this is the scary parts. after these incidents they always say lessons have been learned but hearing the statement from Mabs Hussain (which made me so angry) I believe they've learned nothing and that this could and probably is happening again.

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