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One Canadian woman's fight to get the Gender Based Analysis (GBA) that by law should have been done prior to Bill C-16 reaching Royal Ascent

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OvaHere Wed 24-Jun-20 15:33:38

Apologies for the long title but I wanted to be accurate.

A Canadian woman called Jennifer Anne has been tirelessly fighting to get this information released ( or an admission that no GBA was done).

Please have a read of her thread. It's shocking this is happening across the world and the lengths governments are going to in order not to be scrutinised for the harm to women and girls.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1275441966826676224.html

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OvaHere Wed 24-Jun-20 15:39:36

Also typo - I think ascent should be assent.

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Whatsnewpussyhat Wed 24-Jun-20 15:55:29

She is amazing.
It's exactly what they tried to do here. Add it in before anyone had chance to notice and I think if Labour had won the last election we would be there already.

Same with this new conversion therapy one. It's not about protecting gay kids, it's about stopping us protecting gay kids from being transed. Once they say the magic T word, anything other than affirmation is 'conversion therapy'

Goosefoot Wed 24-Jun-20 15:58:35

We are finally starting to see some organised pushback from women on this in Canada - all of a sudden it seems - and it's such a relief. I've recently signed up to receive information from a few groups and I hope I'll be able to become involved in some way.

It's interesting that similarly to the UK, it was in the end a Conservative MP who helped her. My husband recently joined the part in order to be able to vote in their leadership election and I'm very curious to see how it will go. I have little time for them at the moment but depending on who is chosen I may have to rethink that.

SarahTancredi Wed 24-Jun-20 16:24:05

This doesn't look good does it shock

There are only 2 reasons why it would be this difficult surely? It was either not done or it was done and results ignored .

I wish her all the luck in the world she is incredible to have persisted given the absolute run around she has been given

OvaHere Wed 24-Jun-20 16:34:44

I'm wondering if it was done at all? I fail to see how even the shoddiest, rushed attempt wouldn't have thrown up some issues - like sport for instance.

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SarahTancredi Wed 24-Jun-20 16:38:41

Will the bill have to be immediately suspended if it turns out it wasnt done?

How long does musical departments have to go on for before its enough to legally prove it doesnt exist and the whole thing needs to be withdrawn til.proper channels are followed?

PurpleHoodie Wed 24-Jun-20 17:00:30

Wishing her all the good luck.

We'll see if there is anything we can do to assist along the way.

OvaHere Wed 24-Jun-20 17:28:04

I really hope she can get somewhere with it. I have the feeling that scrutiny might not be possible until Trudeau is gone.

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Whatsnewpussyhat Wed 24-Jun-20 17:32:36

There are only 2 reasons why it would be this difficult surely? It was either not done or it was done and results ignored

I suspect it wasn't done, because they knew damn well it would be bad for women. Would they be allowed to remove it as it would be seen as 'rolling back rights'.

Goosefoot Wed 24-Jun-20 17:40:36

I also suspect it wasn't done. If it was bad, I don't think that means the law is invalidated - they aren't bound politically by the results of those if they feel the bill is still justified politically. It will really have been suppressing it that is the problem, it looks bad no matter how you cut it.

I have the feeling that scrutiny might not be possible until Trudeau is gone.

Yup, he's very "my values are Canadian values, and if you don't share them, well, you're unCanadian". At least Harper used to be clear he was imposing a personal vision, it is shocking to me to discover that I would probably prefer him to little Trudeau.

Taswama Wed 24-Jun-20 17:43:04

Thanks for sharing Ova

happydappy2 Wed 24-Jun-20 17:49:43

Jennifer sounds legendary, I hope more & more women in Canada speak up

NonnyMouse1337 Wed 24-Jun-20 17:52:40

What an amazing woman to have persisted in this. I wish her all the luck in being able to take this further. I hope more women in Canada can get organised around this.

OvaHere Wed 24-Jun-20 17:53:20

It will really have been suppressing it that is the problem, it looks bad no matter how you cut it.

I don't live in Canada but from what I've read Canadian feminists say a further issue will be whether their MSM would actually report on any suppression or lack of GBA.

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Goosefoot Wed 24-Jun-20 18:00:31

OvaHere

*It will really have been suppressing it that is the problem, it looks bad no matter how you cut it.*

I don't live in Canada but from what I've read Canadian feminists say a further issue will be whether their MSM would actually report on any suppression or lack of GBA.

Yes, I think it could be very difficult to get this out.

One of the differences in Canada vs the UK is that we have a small population over a big space, and not nearly the same number of serious news outlets representing different viewpoints. Really there are two national level tv broadcasters, one for radio, and two national newspapers. Other media outlets are local or niche.

Of all of those, only one, The National Post, might print something on this. The others would ignore it or cover it in a way that sidelined it. And no one on the left will read the NP though at the moment it has stronger journalism than the other outlets.

CaraDune Wed 24-Jun-20 18:10:00

The trouble with Harper was he was utterly authoritarian too, just a right-wing authoritarian rather than a left-wing authoritarian. He was a climate change denialist, to the extent where he suppressed science and imposed a ban on government scientists speaking out in public about anything whatsoever without it first being vetted by Harper's SPADs. He suppressed truth every bit as badly as the woke generation is doing over transgenderism, just over a different subset of issues.

For this reason, left-of-centre Canadians are (rightly) very, very suspicious of Conservatives. I frequently rail against the modern tendency for "guilt by association" and people saying "well you can't get into bed with the right wing on this issue because think what else they've done," but given how horribly divisive and authoritarian Harper was, I can see why it's going to be an enormous uphill struggle to get left-of-centre Canadians to even entertain the idea that someone on the right might be correct about anything.

It does require some brave journalists on the moderate right/centre to take on issues like the treatment of women in prison (I've seen that hair-raising video of a Canadian former prisoner speaking out about the levels of sexual violence endemic in women's prisons there since they started housing sex offenders according to their "gender identity"). But at the moment, given the political climate over there, it's hard to see anyone being brave enough to take it on.

OvaHere Wed 24-Jun-20 18:39:51

Interesting Goosefoot I hadn't realised there was such a small amount of MSM. Canada really did have all the ingredients for a swift capture.

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Goosefoot Wed 24-Jun-20 18:40:27

CaraDune

The trouble with Harper was he was utterly authoritarian too, just a right-wing authoritarian rather than a left-wing authoritarian. He was a climate change denialist, to the extent where he suppressed science and imposed a ban on government scientists speaking out in public about anything whatsoever without it first being vetted by Harper's SPADs. He suppressed truth every bit as badly as the woke generation is doing over transgenderism, just over a different subset of issues.

For this reason, left-of-centre Canadians are (rightly) very, very suspicious of Conservatives. I frequently rail against the modern tendency for "guilt by association" and people saying "well you can't get into bed with the right wing on this issue because think what else they've done," but given how horribly divisive and authoritarian Harper was, I can see why it's going to be an enormous uphill struggle to get left-of-centre Canadians to even entertain the idea that someone on the right might be correct about anything.

It does require some brave journalists on the moderate right/centre to take on issues like the treatment of women in prison (I've seen that hair-raising video of a Canadian former prisoner speaking out about the levels of sexual violence endemic in women's prisons there since they started housing sex offenders according to their "gender identity"). But at the moment, given the political climate over there, it's hard to see anyone being brave enough to take it on.

Harper however was open about his authoritarianism. I now find that refreshing.

As far as climate/science, my dh is a scientist working for the government. The rhetoric has changed but nothing else, not funding, not pursuing useful projects, not collecting data. People were actively opposing the governments approach to science before though, whereas now they think JT is a big environmentalist.

OvaHere Wed 24-Jun-20 18:43:11

It does require some brave journalists on the moderate right/centre to take on issues like the treatment of women in prison (I've seen that hair-raising video of a Canadian former prisoner speaking out about the levels of sexual violence endemic in women's prisons there since they started housing sex offenders according to their "gender identity"). But at the moment, given the political climate over there, it's hard to see anyone being brave enough to take it on.

Yes, I watched that - it was quite shocking. Link here for anyone who hasn't seen it.

youtu.be/GrxdLNg8-gs

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CaraDune Wed 24-Jun-20 18:43:51

As far as climate/science, my dh is a scientist working for the government. The rhetoric has changed but nothing else, not funding, not pursuing useful projects, not collecting data. People were actively opposing the governments approach to science before though, whereas now they think JT is a big environmentalist.

That's interesting. Kind of goes with the rest of what I've heard about Trudeau, talks the talk, very much does not walk the walk. Still backing the oil pipeline, has done very little for indigenous populations, seems to have had his fingers in some very, very dubious financial pies (had to find some spurious reasons to sack his - indigenous - attorney general to cover that one up). And that's before we even get onto the multiple blackface incidents.

Having said that I have Canadian friends in government science and they think the sun shines out of his arsehole.

Goosefoot Wed 24-Jun-20 19:28:18

Having said that I have Canadian friends in government science and they think the sun shines out of his arsehole.

Sunny ways!

But yes, that's very much his MO.

There was some very odd stuff going on with Wilson-Rayboult even before all that with regard to indigenous affairs. Again, under the radar.

It's really very difficult to oppose someone when they keep their agenda so hidden. I have American friends who think we are so much better off here, and in some ways we are, but in others its more like everyone is sleeping so they don't notice what is going on under their noses and never make a peep about it.

ShinyFootball Wed 24-Jun-20 20:42:13

Exactly the same as here.

Was it somewhere in Wales that said the equality assessment had vanished and there were no copies even drafts available anywhere?

And in Scotland there was one, around putting trans women in women's prisons, that was handwritten and shared on here, with the impact on characteristic of sex with 'n/a' written in it.

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