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So damned angry at MLM schemes preying on women

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WombOfOnesOwn · 23/10/2018 19:23

Women already have far less wealth than men (the wealth gap is much, much wider than the income gap).

And the women I see in my life who are living most precariously are the ones being preyed upon by MLM schemes. Single moms struggling to pay bills, stay-at-home moms with spouses who recently lost a job, women who have been vocal and open about having mental health problems.

These are the women these predators see fit to feast upon. I see them start to sell from their new "kit," exploit their friendships for a frighteningly small amount of money, and end up in debt (and in over their head) after a few months of wall-to-wall discussions of Young Living oils or HerbaLife or whatever.

I am in the US, and it is so, so utterly depressing to watch women who are motivated and working their asses off, but who are spending time on schemes that have no chance of ever paying them a wage they could live on. At least two of these women, I suspect, are abuse victims who are desperately attempting to secure their own funds with which to have some LTB money (I would ask them, and try to get them some money, but I think their spouses monitor the accounts and I'm not sure how to do this without a tipoff...we don't live close enough for an in-person meeting at a neutral location).

It's horrible. For years I've scrolled by and rolled my eyes, and even got annoyed at the women who'd start selling. Now I've realized that it's this massive ecosystem whereby women are preyed upon while vulnerable, then taught that becoming a financial predator themselves is actually doing good for their family and their friends.

Now, I can't just scroll by when I see it. I don't even care if people stop talking to me, I can't watch one more mom struggling to pay for uniforms who's also selling Usborne "for the discount on the products, but also to sell a little on the side, talk to me for more details," without speaking up.

The single biggest reason these schemes prey on women is because of our female socialization.

See that paragraph about not being quiet any more? Men wouldn't have been quiet in the first place, if their best buddy was suddenly trying to financially exploit their longstanding friendship. When they notice, they bring it up, they bring evidence to the table, and they talk the person out of doing it. Men have been socialized to call things what they are, and speak the truth, even if that person might feel embarrassed by finding out they've been duped, or ashamed upon recognizing that they've duped their friends.

Women, on the other hand, think about someone else's feelings. "She'll figure it out for herself soon enough anyway, and there's no point talking her out of it, she'll just be embarrassed," we think. "How could I ever tell my friend that she's been selling her friends snake oil? She'd be heartbroken, I can't break the news to her even though she would probably trust me. I'll tell her if she ever gets really wrapped up in it, but I'll just let it run its course otherwise."

Over and over, the women who get into these schemes have predominantly female friend groups. Again: men will tell you if your business idea is shit. They might even tell you it's shit if it's not. But other women will say "GO GIRL, get that cash, start your home-based business, wooooo!" We're trained to be the optimists, the cheerleaders, the "maybe she's the one in a hundred who'll make it, and I have to stick by my friend and support her through thick and thin" sex.

I think that if women stopped being so reluctant to call out these schemes ... they'd come to a stop, or at least stop being so skewed toward the female sex. WDYT?

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 23/10/2018 19:45

I voice my objections quite clearly when I get the chance.
At work, in Facebook groups etc.

I drop links like timelessvie.wordpress.com

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 23/10/2018 19:45

It is a gendered issue and the Netflix documentary shows it also targets other marginalized groups such as new migrants.

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AspergersMum · 23/10/2018 19:45

Agree. Reddit has an interesting MLM board www.reddit.com/r/antiMLM/

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AncientLights · 23/10/2018 19:50

What is MLM?

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BigotedWoman · 23/10/2018 19:57

Multi level marketing. Basically pyramid schemes?

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Cailleachian · 23/10/2018 20:06

MLM schemes are the absolute pits - they rip women off so so badly - from Tupperware and Avon right through to those hideous overpriced leggings.

If you need to get cash to your mate secretly WombofonesOwn, use Bitcoin. Get some bitcoin, send it to her bitcoin address and she can turn it back into dollars at a local bitcoin atm without it going through her bank account.

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FermatsTheorem · 23/10/2018 20:07

Yes you're right Womb, it is heavily gendered, I think because it's a form of home work. (My sister was a sucker for these schemes.)

Basically they prey on women, thinking of the UK context, usually those on benefits (possibly in work benefits) with children to care for. So in desperate need of money for the new school shoes/the top up on the leccy, but unable to go for full time jobs (i.e. most of the jobs on offer in the local jobs centre), and possibly likely to lose what little benefits they have if they go over a certain hours threshold...

They are very easy prey for "work from home, you too can do it if you buy into our inspirational culture" crapola.

It's several decades since my sister was involved in these (usually slimming meal-replacement type businesses) but back then you had to buy into a franchise and front up a lot of money for "stock" which she usually did by asking relatives for loans - which of course sadly she would never be in a position to pay back, because it was impossible to make the sort of money she was promised in the sales pitch.

They are utterly evil scumballs, taking advantage of people's desperation.

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GraceTheDisgrace · 23/10/2018 22:39

For a while, a good quarter of my FB feed was MLM pitches. "I'm so excited to tell you about...!!" Ugh spare me. And it was always the women whose financial situation was precarious.

I like the video that John Oliver did on it.

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baristagirl · 23/10/2018 23:29

What is the Netflix documentary called?

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Turph · 23/10/2018 23:47

I agree that immigrants can get sucked into this nonsense, I've seen it with my own eyes. The heartbreaking thing is that it's not through lack of effort that they are unsuccessful.

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Namechangeforthiscancershit · 23/10/2018 23:48

barista Betting on Zero

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IKeepFlouncing · 24/10/2018 00:05

I second timeless vie (they have some other great links to others who on ball with MLM scams.

They on twitter and Facebook

And mlm bot watch here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/3379785-Anti-MLM-Network-marketing-thread-NUMBER-43

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LassWiADelicateAir · 24/10/2018 00:56

I like the video that John Oliver did on it.

Madeleine Albright - how disappointing. As he said - the last person you'd expect to be endorsing an MLM product.

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baristagirl · 24/10/2018 01:05

Thank you @Namechangeforthiscancershit

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ICJump · 24/10/2018 04:30

I’m really enjoying this podcast www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/the-dream about MLMs

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ICJump · 24/10/2018 04:31

Oh and this podcast about the hideous cult like MLM that is branding women www.cbc.ca/radio/podcasts/mobile/current-affairs-information/uncover/

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Potplant2 · 24/10/2018 08:09

I’m angry about this too. I know a woman who is literally on the breadline, can’t find work, who has recently started one of these. She will lose lots. Already people are distancing from her.

Mind you, she refuses to go on JSA or apply for jobs that are not white-collar because she thinks they’re beneath her. I think she has a long way to fall.

I utterly hate these sociopathic companies.

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QuentinWinters · 24/10/2018 08:59

Yeah I hate these too. I think the other aspect is women will support our friends so might get sucked into paying for this shit to try to help someone we know well (thinking of Forever Living here Angry). But it's never enough because they can't make money from a few one off purchases to friends.
It's so sad.

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IKeepFlouncing · 24/10/2018 11:25

I looked at podcast link and website I bookmarked for reading later. Thanks

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ICJump · 25/10/2018 22:27

I found the betting on zero doco fascinating. I really hope they go down.

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