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Article from the American College of Pediatricians about gender dysphoria

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Triliteration Thu 22-Feb-18 23:30:27

This is a damning review about the current trend towards medicalisation of gender dysphoria in children.

A review of the current literature suggests that this protocol is founded upon an unscientific gender ideology, lacks an evidence base, and violates the long-standing ethical principle of “First do no harm.”


rb67 Fri 23-Feb-18 00:47:49

There are counter arguments to the trans rhetoric but not quite as "sexy" for the media.

BlindYeo Fri 23-Feb-18 01:15:09

This is FANTASTIC. An actual body of paediatricians saying this. Thanks Triliteration star

Ouchbirthhurted Fri 23-Feb-18 01:31:27

When I googled this organisation I got a proper google link to it at the top of the main search bit.

But also this rather confusing paid link that says a VERY similar sounding organisation is anti-LGBT. Hmmmm

Ouchbirthhurted Fri 23-Feb-18 01:34:03

I then get this on wikipedia that suggests the actual organisation mentioned in the OP is anti LGBT but have no idea of its validity.

Ouchbirthhurted Fri 23-Feb-18 01:38:28

And there is yet another very similar sounding org linked to in the top linked paid advert bit on the original google search:

No idea which is what.

Ouchbirthhurted Fri 23-Feb-18 01:44:22

And even snopes has come up on the search with a view on it all which seems a bit odd. Whose narrative to trust?

BlindYeo Fri 23-Feb-18 01:55:46

OK, sounds like it is a small group of physicians who have formed their own body. Very right wing?

But I have no doubt Feminism Chat is currently described as an anti-LGBT hate group too.

BoreOfWhabylon Fri 23-Feb-18 02:02:19

American College of Pediatricians is a small, right-wing, socially conservative, anti-abortion, antiLGBT, anti-gay-adoption outfit.

Very different from the American Academy of Pediatrics, which is a major professional association of pediatricians with around 66,000 members.

SenecaFalls Fri 23-Feb-18 02:24:37

To echo what some others have said, the American College of Pediatricians are a right-wing organization that is definitely anti-gay. They are also pro-corporal punishment of children and have a piece on their website called "Guidelines for Disciplinary Spanking."

They have an anti-children, anti-woman agenda and are populated by people with a fundamentalist, religious right orientation.

rb67 Fri 23-Feb-18 06:00:11

The trans activists seem anti children, anti women and anti gay just from a different perspective.

Emerencealwayshopeful Fri 23-Feb-18 06:22:53

Even nazis sometimes make sense. Or at least seem to. These are pro-life (except when it’s lives of actual people) anti everything else right wing bastards.

Unfortunately there isn’t research on any ‘side’ of this issue.

Triliteration Fri 23-Feb-18 07:26:56

Bummer! Thought I’d stumbled on a gold mine. I should have checked first. Apologies.

rb67 Fri 23-Feb-18 07:28:27

It is well referenced, so that will be a slog to read through.

has a hyper link and looks like a good one.

littlebillie Fri 23-Feb-18 07:49:16

Do no harm is a good sentiment

Triliteration Fri 23-Feb-18 07:55:38

That is a good article, thanks rb67. It concludes what I suspected was the case: that the medical profession are rushing into potentially damaging treatment of a disorder that is not well-defined or understood without significant evidence to demonstrate whether this is the best treatment path.

The fact that simultaneously, it has reached the public consciousness and that there is a sudden surge in young people being presented to doctors, means there is potential for great harm.

This is such a difficult topic. It may be that all this will go ahead and it will be accepted eventually that those who pushed ahead got it right. But there are already some indications that suggest it could go the other way. It seems likely to me that the effects will likely be worse in the US than in the U.K. But if the NHS does go ahead, the risk of future lawsuits is enormous.

ChesterBelloc Fri 23-Feb-18 08:07:28

"Even nazis sometimes make sense. Or at least seem to. These are pro-life (except when it’s lives of actual people) anti everything else right wing bastards."

Emerence - are you really calling those who are anti-abortion 'Nazis'? If so, have a word with yourself. In any other context, that would be called out as hate speech.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole Fri 23-Feb-18 15:53:00

Yeah, this group are apparently anti LGBT. Mind, anyone who speaks out about transing kids is considered anti LGBT, even though being anti transing kids is very pro-LGB 'transing away the gay' is obviously homophobic. And if left alone to develop properly, most transkids turn out to simply be gay..where if shoved onto blockers and such, they very nearly ALL go onto cross sex hormones.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole Fri 23-Feb-18 15:56:02

In addition to preventing the development of secondary sex characteristics, GnRH agonists arrest bone growth, decrease bone accretion, prevent the sex-steroid dependent organization and maturation of the adolescent brain, and inhibit fertility by preventing the development of gonadal tissue and mature gametes for the duration of treatment.

Prevent maturation of the adolescent brain

Is something I have been very worried about since discovering puberty blockers actually. Surely, if all other puberty related stuff is halted, the vital brain development that goes on during puberty is also halted. Which would definitely explain how near all kids on blockers do not change their minds, where those who are not on blockers do most of the time. The ones on blockers are stuck in a childlike state, both in body and in mind.

MrGHardy Fri 23-Feb-18 17:08:38

"As an example, Dr. Kenneth Zucker, long acknowledged as a foremost authority on gender identity issues in children, has also been a lifelong advocate for gay and transgender rights. However, much to the consternation of adult transgender activists, Zucker believes that gender-dysphoric pre-pubertal children are best served by helping them align their gender identity with their anatomic sex. This view ultimately cost him his 30-year directorship of the Child Youth and Family Gender Identity Clinic (GIC) at the Center for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto."

Absolutely chilling. A pioneer in his field is ousted because people think their personal beliefs matter more.

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