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Rip apart this article with me - transgender vs Transracial/able etc

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Albadross Fri 03-Nov-17 12:56:29

I have this so far:

First point from the article: "In other words, the act of being trans itself brings violence, not simply the act of being simply a man or a woman." Being a woman is not 'an act'. In the UK, 2 women a week are murdered by males because they are women. Femicide is not deniable, it just isn't. 1 trans person has been murdered in the UK since 2009. Of course 1 is always too many. Trans people largely become the victim of violence because of how they present, so a trans woman who presents as male isn't going to be a target. Rachel Dolezal didn't change the colour of her skin, people just believed her because we assume nobody would want to identify as black if they're white. So to state that transracial people don't experience violence and that's why they're different is ridiculous. The article then goes on to say that trans people are "considered rapists and pedophiles". This is a common twisting of the feminist argument to retain female only spaces, but it's disingenuous at best. The reason we don;t want laws changed to allow anyone to identify as a woman at will is because that leaves the door open for people who are not trans to abuse that. And yes I know all of the usual responses to this, that predatory males can come in now anyway, but if I want to challenge someone who I don't think should be there I can currently. And I did, when a man followed me into a bathroom and tried to push me into a cubicle to do god knows what. Another woman came in and clocked that he shouldn't be there so was able to help. Once the laws change, that man has just as much right to be there as anyone else and so it does make it easier for predators. Same in prisons where there are already issues with male bodied people intimidating female inmates by identifying as a woman. We have sex segregation for a reason in these areas. 'Accepting womanhood' is a very odd description. I see womanhood as the experience of having been born of a class that has been oppressed for thousands of years and socially that is unique to born women. Trans people experience their own version that I wouldn't have a clue about but women have a right to challenge this because it's key to our liberation. And lastly, to avoid this being the longest comment ever made on FB, the article constantly uses 'gender' to mean 'sex', which is unhelpful. Gender is socially constructed. Race, sex and having one leg are biological facts.

Albadross Sat 04-Nov-17 22:31:14


Sentimentallentil Sun 05-Nov-17 08:05:23

But his argument makes no sense, there was violence towards Rachel Dolezal when people found out she was white.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed Sun 05-Nov-17 08:30:55

It also makes no sense because it is really badly written, which is ironic considering the author claims to have studied writing.

TammyswansonTwo Sun 05-Nov-17 11:35:29

The Rachel Dolezal situation is when it all broke down for me. Seeing people who insist that you can't even debate the womanhood of a trans woman else you're a TERF, use the most abhorrent language against this woman, and insist that you must do the same else you're a racist, was the last straw.

It's utterly ridiculous. In every article about her you could sub race for gender and have the exact narrative of many in the trans community. The hypocrisy is astounding.

pisacake Sun 05-Nov-17 12:40:08

"1 trans person has been murdered in the UK since 2009"

Are you talking about David/Sonia Burgess (who was gender fluid using both identities)? Who was murdered by another gender fluid person, who then also became another trans talking point by killing himself in prison (he chose to be tried under his male name and to be set to a male prison).

So a transwoman kills a transwoman which then becames a stat for the trans lobby because muh trans murder rate, and then that transwoman kills himself in male prison so muh trans suicide rate and muh trans women in male prisons OMG.

Albadross Sun 05-Nov-17 22:10:26

Possibly, I liked through the entire Wikipedia page on murdered trans people and only one was listed in the UK since 2009.

This article was sent to me by a friend who has drunk the Kool Aid and wanted to refute my arguments about the hypocrisy of the trans lobby.

Albadross Sun 05-Nov-17 22:11:05

Looked - not liked. confused

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sun 05-Nov-17 22:14:09

This article was sent to me by a friend

I'm sorry to be harsh, but I couldn't be friends with anyone so incapable of critical thought.

Albadross Mon 06-Nov-17 20:18:32

Oh god now someone else has sent me this!*@makeupnmorphine*/the-grc-change-will-have-no-effect-on-your-life-so-why-do-you-care-949671f0908c

Albadross Mon 06-Nov-17 20:19:17

I think she's going to be looking at it similarly to me though, whereas the first person is definitely a trans ally.

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