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Diane Abbott's portrait

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ThisOneAndThatOne Mon 13-Jan-14 15:48:23

I think it is important to continue our historical record by having portraits made of politicians. So this is not a thread about the cost.

I am just really taken aback that the portrait of our most famous black female MP shows her without clothing (just head and shoulders).

What does everyone else think?

Will find a link and post in a sec.

MomsStiffler Tue 14-Jan-14 15:42:14

@ Mitchy

Hmm, that's 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back!

I must admit, because I was looking at the backing singers in relation to this topic I did notice that there was a mix of dancers - all shades, not all black as I'd expected from the article.

Won't derail this thread anymore, but will keep my eyes open for more "casual racism" in plain view...

Mitchy1nge Tue 14-Jan-14 15:35:44

and that throws up some lovely results via google images even if none of those bodies are him

Mitchy1nge Tue 14-Jan-14 15:28:50

I wouldn't mind seeing Dan Poulter naked

pertempsnooo Tue 14-Jan-14 15:27:43

Haha agree that this could spark off a great (if rather hideously unattractive) feminist art project representing male politicians naked... maybe some with oranges in their mouths...
She should not have done this, ugh! what was she thinking!? Anyone know where this shite is going?

Mitchy1nge Tue 14-Jan-14 15:27:38

What is wrong with photos? Portraits were needed in a time before cameras, but not now

yeah they should do selfies and do away with all this state importance guff

it is such a horrible portrait though, I can't stop clicking back to look at it

Beachcomber Tue 14-Jan-14 15:18:31

Ta Buffy - thought your sentence was jolly good actually. Not clumsy. Tricky thing to put into words.

MostWicked Tue 14-Jan-14 15:09:33

I think it is important to continue our historical record by having portraits made of politicians

Why? Why is there any need for portraits at all? What is wrong with photos? Portraits were needed in a time before cameras, but not now.

The artistic nature of a portrait, makes the unclothed image somehow more acceptable, whereas a photo would be more honest, accurate and real, and I doubt is would have been taken topless!

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

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Beachcomber Tue 14-Jan-14 14:58:06

I got it.

So I shall claim my cake

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Beachcomber Tue 14-Jan-14 14:49:23

Does Diane Abbott braid her hair?

I don't think I've ever seen her with it braided. Willing to be corrected on that though.

Mitchy1nge Tue 14-Jan-14 14:36:40

that was to moms something

Mitchy1nge Tue 14-Jan-14 14:35:41

did you see Lily Allen's recent vid? bit of chat about it here

Beachcomber Tue 14-Jan-14 14:33:08

MomsStiffler when I said "Black woman portrayed in her natural animalistic state", I was referring to the common racist stereotype - not how I see women of colour. I would hate for that post to be unclear!

I had just agreed with another poster who said there was something colonialistic about the image.

Women of colour are often portrayed as 'tribal' or 'natural' or 'animal' or 'wild' or 'oversexed' - this portrait of Diane Abbott disturbed me because of that. It smacks of lazy racist + sexist stereotyping to me.

This is a subject that comes up a lot in feminism; how women of colour are subject to a different sort of misogyny to white women, as it is a mix of sexism and racism. This portrait seems to me to be an hugely crass example of such attitudes. Hence why I wonder if a white female politician would have been portrayed in this way - as I say, I doubt it.

MomsStiffler Tue 14-Jan-14 14:26:47

I'll grab some cake too as I think I got it! blush

I hadn't noticed that black women often get depicted like this - will keep an eye out for this particular practice now thanks!

Mitchy1nge Tue 14-Jan-14 13:59:39

it makes perfect sense

I didn't know we had cake! am just agreeing with you so I can have some

I don't think anyone did say that Diane was somehow forced to be painted in a way that made her look naked, just pointing out that this is how black women tend to be depicted

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MomsStiffler Tue 14-Jan-14 12:55:52

Aside from the "nudity", it is a bloody awful picture. More like a picture of her Spitting Image puppet....

QueenThora Tue 14-Jan-14 12:08:11

It may be that she thought it was a good idea. It may be that someone else did and she was persuaded into it, maybe thinking it would be a bit radical or interesting.

I am wondering if she really was sitting in a very low and wide-cut top (which she does wear) and this was the result and there was not really an intent to appear naked as such, but the result is a bit unfortunate.

I also think whatever the reason for the naked effect, the fact that it's so unflattering, and that she looks slightly uncomfortable and ungroomed, all add to the effect of making it look as if it is saying something about her being in some kind of "natural state", and not in a good way.

I mean she can be very groomed, she wears make-up (not that she should, but most women in her position do and definitely would for a portrait), she can be seen in specs and smart clothes. It's very odd that hers among all the other portraits is the one that emphasis these natural aspects.

Mitchy1nge Tue 14-Jan-14 11:58:45

who said she was coerced? we don't have to be coerced into stuff in order to wonder how many of our choices are made in a cultural vacuum or whatever the saying is

weirdthing Tue 14-Jan-14 11:51:00

I find Diane Abbott inappropriate in general and I say that as a lefty.

MomsStiffler Tue 14-Jan-14 11:47:47

for "photographer" read "painter"... blush

MomsStiffler Tue 14-Jan-14 11:47:07

Lot of assumptions that a female MP who is known for being strong minded & not suffering fools gladly was somehow coerced into this.

What on earth about her leads you to this conclusion?

Black woman portrayed in her natural animalistic state says more about that poster than it does about Diane Abbott or the photographer in my mind....

Beachcomber Tue 14-Jan-14 11:45:42

Am well, hope you are too, good to see you smile . Will stop now!

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