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Anti strip clubs - feminist arguments

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EnamelJugOfTulips Mon 18-Mar-13 21:17:09

I have been trying to explain to DP why I disagree with strip clubs from a feminist point of view and I am struggling to put a coherent argument together so that he understands my point properly. I just feeling myself going in circles and getting wound up by it all and forgetting everything that I read here and agree with.

Please can you help me explain to him why it is so wrong and the wide ranging negative effects it has upon women. any links, blogs etc are also most appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

vesuvia Wed 20-Mar-13 13:30:20

I think objectification of women means that women are regarded as objects and are not appreciated as individual people with personality. They are seen as interchangeable, e.g. if a man who objectifies women happens to like breasts of a particular size or shape, then any woman with such breasts is as acceptable to him as any other. He doesn't care if it's woman A or woman B.

Why would a woman want to be regarded as an interchangeable object rather than a unique person, even for a short time e.g. during a striptease, a lapdance or during sex?

How is that a good thing for women?
How is that a good thing for personal relationships?

Does a person who objectifies women turn that objectification on or off at will?

Creeping Wed 20-Mar-13 18:19:53

Because strip clubs normalise the objectification of women, seeing them as consumables and whose bodies can be bought for sexual gratification/titillation. If this becomes an acceptable pastime, just a bit of fun, it feeds into a culture where women can be divided into two kinds: the ones that we are allowed to objectify, and our mothers/sisters/wives/daughters, who deserve respect. However, the ones we are "allowed" to objectify are of course worth less, as they are not seen as fully human, as persons, which makes it much easier to treat them badly, should a need or opportunity arise, and easier to deem maltreatment by others acceptable behaviour.

The unequal relationship between the client and the stripper is part of what is gratifying for the client, as it is the woman's job to please him, thereby confirming his authority as a man. Perhaps as a result of this, interviews with clients have shown that men who frequent strip clubs become less sensitive to the needs of women, and less tolerant of women's expectations for equality in the workplace and at home. It feeds into an attitude of entitlement and a culture that make rape myths possible, domestic violence not taken seriously etc etc.

It is in the interest of the strip clubs that they are seen as normal. So they try to get us to fall for the idea that strippers are empowered, and that those being against it are old fashioned, prudish, killjoy, uncool, and sexually repressed. Strippers themselves may claim they feel empowered, because that offers a way of self-justification. Ex-strippers however, often have a different story about how they felt stripping for strangers.

PromQueenWithin Wed 20-Mar-13 18:50:29

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