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Calling Cote and anybody else interested. I finished, 'Dune' btw.

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The final eighth or so was okay. I was really, really bored by the rest of it, mostly because I thought that Jessica was snooty and dull and Paul was dull and a prig. All of Jessica's internal dialogues just made me hate her more and more with every one. I was most interested in the, 'servants' like Duncan and Guerney and co, but they were hardly in it.

Doubt I'll bother with any more in the series.

Now, does anybody want to tell me what greatness I've failed to recognise in it?

I read it as a teenager, but have re-read several times since and still quite liked it - unlike Hardy, who I adored as a teen and can't stand now because it's all so adolescent.

CoteDAzur Thu 22-Aug-13 15:21:48

Have you read On The Beach when you were very young, by any chance.

I read and really loved Stranger In A Strange Land when I was about 14. If I read it now, I'm sure I'd appreciate it much less.

Horses for courses, my dear. grin

CoteDAzur Wed 21-Aug-13 21:45:43

Oh yeah. You liked On The Beach which is about 45,788th best sci-fi book and are whinging here about Dune which happens to be #1 or #2 on any Best Sci-Fi list ever compiled grin

Ha - I knew it was you ranting all along. smile

Actually, do read it - I'd be interested to know your thoughts on it. It just didn't work for me (but I like On The Beach, so what do I know?!).

CoteDAzur Wed 21-Aug-13 15:25:35

Ranting does sound like me grin

I may have said something about breakdown of law and order being credible but perhaps not within days. A quick look at history, even as late as Bosnia would show that people become animals when law & order breaks down, without even any existential threat like famine sad

I must have mixed you up with somebody - somebody who had a big rant about how (ordinary) people raping and murdering each other within about two days of the crisis being announced was entirely credible.

CoteDAzur Wed 21-Aug-13 13:36:42

And you thought I must have read and lived this book because...?

Is it because I loved On The Beach so much? grin


Oh they start raping and murdering each other long before all the grass disappears. It was v stupid.

CoteDAzur Tue 20-Aug-13 23:50:48

I haven't read Death Of Grass. I read about its subject matter and it sounded unrealistic. If there was no grass anywhere, surely all life would die off fairly soon. And I worried that I would kill myself if I read another ancient and badly dated book like laughable book where they are all waiting for the radioactive cloud in Australia smile

Of course. That makes sense.

BUT - iirc you like, 'Death of Grass' yes? Well, Brother in the Land is better imho. smile

CoteDAzur Tue 20-Aug-13 23:40:51

I'm 42. You need to remember that I started learning English in secondary school (age ~12) and then was limited to import books I could find in specialist "foreign" stores (no Amazon, obviously).

I'll never read YA again, no exceptions. Reading stuff meant for children gets on my nerves.

How old are you?

Did you not read things like Z for Zacharia or Brother in the Land?

I like some YA stuff, mainly because the writers tend not to fart around trying to 'write' in the way that adult fantasy writers do - if the writer is good it's not so bad, but poor writers trying to be 'writers' (ie in those bloody awful zombie books called 'Autumn' iirc) drive me insane - at least YA writers tend to keep it fairly short and punchy.

CoteDAzur Tue 20-Aug-13 23:07:59

YA fantasy might just do me in grin

I thought about why I can't stand YA and came to the conclusion that it is because there was no YA around when I was growing up. I read 1984 and Brave New World in my teens, so excuse me if I'm not impressed by a YA book trying to tackle the same themes in my 40s.

Magnum - yes but WHAT did I miss? wink
Cote - most of the YA stuff I've enjoyed has been fantasy of some sort or another, so probably not worth me recommending any.

CoteDAzur Tue 20-Aug-13 22:50:57

Someone recommended it to me on here, after I said I don't read YA. So I thought it was an exceptional cross-over like Curious Incident Of The Dog In The Night-Time. It wasn't.

magnumicelolly Tue 20-Aug-13 22:21:45

The first Dune book is one of my favourite books. The rest, not so great, but still found them worth reading. If you found it boring you either missed something or it just isn't your type of book I suppose!

I didn't realise you were reading YA - I thought you detested it!

CoteDAzur Tue 20-Aug-13 21:58:44

That was a time when YA didn't exist as a genre, though grin

smile Jane Austen was only 41 when she died though, and wrote the first version of, 'Sense and Sensibility' aged only 19. grin

CoteDAzur Tue 20-Aug-13 21:47:09

I finished it today. YA, written by a woman over 10 years my junior. I should have known better.

Oh gods, no - can't be doing with that sort of crap either. smile

CoteDAzur Mon 19-Aug-13 10:02:53

Remus - re "feeeeelings" smile

I'm miserably plodding through Delirium these days, and thought I would come back here and give it as the perfect example of what I meant when I said "I for one can't stand books that are all about the feeeeeelings of main characters"

Delirium is about a future when people are "cured" of love. It could have been a much more interesting book if it focused on this world - what it is like, how society and technology have evolved to accommodate a world where people don't really care much for each other etc. Instead, it's all about a teenage girl's hots for a teenage boy. All about her feeeelings when he is near and they are dancing etc.


Cheers. smile

CoteDAzur Mon 12-Aug-13 16:02:33

Hyperion by Dan Simmons

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