Just got totally judged by the vet .

[TheHoHoHoundsBitch]

Urgh. I could just tell he was thinking "Why is this puppy so badly behaved at 5 months old, why is it even here?" and really didn't believe me when I tried to tell him how much training we've been doing.
We took her in to rule out any medical reason for her behaviour issues, and he said there was no point in even doing bloods - she's just a disobedient puppy (don't get me wrong, I'm glad she's not poorly!).
She is very disobedient, but we are working soooo hard with her and she has improved so much. But she's still fucking nuts - she does all sorts of lovely things in the house, when she's calm, but turns into a crazy beast outside.
Ugh. It's horrible feeling judged. Don't know why I'm posting really

[neme]

Well, you've ruled out anything medical, so just carry on with the training and I'm sure she'll get there. 5 months is very little still and any decent vet knows how behaviour outside the house can differ greatly from familiar environments.

Kiko Pup internet training is very good, I believe.

[SnakeyMcBadass]

What breed is she? Did the vet examine her at all? What does she eat?

[TheHappinessTrap]

You know, before I had dogs I never looked at those with dogs in a judgemental way (and still don't! ) but now that I have them I'm aware of how embarrassed the owners might be when their dogs act up! Ignore it op. You're working hard. What kind if dog have you got?

[TheHoHoHoundsBitch]

She's a large mutt, ridgeback mix we think. She's on a good puppy food, (first ingredient chicken no wheat or additives etc). The vet listened to her chest, but she was too wriggly to do anything else really, we're staying with my friend who is a vet after xmas so I will get her opinion too.
We're doing kikopup training and using a trainer too.

[Dancingyogi]

Check out a book called When Pigs Fly - Training success with impossible dogs it will make you feel less to blame and help you train your impossible dog - it's based on clicker training...kikopup is good too but I think to get you head around clicker training it helps to read up a bit on it first.

[mumofthemonsters808]

You will get there it's just a case of persevering, it can be damn hard work training a puppy but you will reap the benefits in later years. I look back and laugh when I think of my boys early habits, but eventually he became a calm well behaved dog, but it really was a case of trial and error and ignorance on my part because I had never owned a puppy before and made lots of cock ups. Stick with it, it will definitely be worth it in the long run.Dont stress about anyone judging you, just keep at it, good luck.

[TheHoHoHoundsBitch]

Thanks for the reassurance :) I'll get that book, the three dogs she describes at the beginning all sound like mine!

[5EllipticGoldRings]

My 8 year old Lab loves going to the vet and is a nightmare when he's there, he loves one vet in particular and tries to go racing in the consulting room when he hears his voice. Consequently every visit to the vets is a total embarrassment where I feel ashamed of my inability to control him so you really have my sympathy.
The rest of the time he's reasonably well behaved (for a chocolate lab) and I can control him, but at the vets he's completely different , but I guess that's better than being scared like my cat.

[Dancingyogi]

It's just there are so many authors, animal professionals and trainers who blame the pet owner, I get so frustrated because I put a huge amount of effort in to training my dog and the When Pigs fly book was the first time someone had articulated exactly how I feel - I do not have a biddable dog, he does not live to please me, he's a cat, independent and aloof (and lovely) but this book helps to fix that, it helps to put you at the centre of your non biddable dog's universe. You can't fix all your dog's issues overnight, fir some dogs training just takes a very very long time.

I almost gave up on training for recall with my whippet, I posted about it on this forum and I got the short shift back to the job in hand and rightly so, sometimes you need some gentle words of encouragment kick up the arse to keep going!

[Micah]

Get a new vet then. Vets I've had have been equally helpful on behavioural as well as medical issues. Definately not judgy, you're going to them for help, not doing so would make you an irresponsible pet owner!

My current vet runs behaviour clinics for cats and dogs.

[TheHoHoHoundsBitch]

The other vet that works there is fine, I'd not seen this bloke before. Our vet have a behaviour clinic but the lady who runs it isn't the best imo. We have had some support from the rescue that we got her from, I haven't heard from them for while though.
I'm happy with what we are doing, she is just going to take ages to get where we want her to be

[CarbeDiem]

You're not alone HoHo
I'm sure my 15 week old girl has a split personality - she's an angel at the vets. Can be quite good at home, with some exceptions but once outside she goes wild.
Pulling on the lead, we're trying to work on. She tries to jump at people, she barks at other dogs, tries to chase bikers and joggers and doesn't seem afraid of traffic
I'm just back in from a 3 hour walk with her in the forest - it's honestly fucking horrendous :(
Half way through the walk today she did (for treats) sit on command and allow people to pass us without trying to get at/chase them but then as soon we came back to the road and paths she seemed to have forgotten and started again.
Dh keeps talking about when we let her off the lead she'll enjoy her run etc..
Of course she will Dh - but there's not a chance that's going to happen any time soon - she takes no notice and has selective recall when she's on the bloody lead and I just know she'll be off after the bikers and runners the first chance she gets without giving us a second thought.
We don't even know what breed she is so don't know if she should be easy or difficult to train -she looks like a small rotti but I think there's some collie or similar in her.


Dh asked me the other day - ''Carbe, is it like this when you have a baby?''
My honest answer was ''Hell no! babies are much easier'' :)

[TheHoHoHoundsBitch]

Babies are def easier! Dpup can't be off lead because she jumps up and bites when she gets excited - we can't risk her doing that to a random member of the public! We have just started using a long line and just avoiding people and other dogs when we walk her. We have also started using a flirt pole to help teach her to bite, tug and chase toys, not us when she's excited! We have to take her for a sniffy walk afterwards or she goes nuts in the house though!
Have you got a pic of pup? She sounds beautiful!

[CarbeDiem]

1st one she's trying on her winter coat, doesn't look impressed does she :) She'll thank me when it hits -20 here though.
2nd one from today in the forest and the 3rd is about a week after we got her.

[CarbeDiem]

Mine jumps at people but doesn't want to bite, she gets all excited, whines at them while they stroke her and won't back off. I tell her no but it's made worse as at least twice on every walk people will encourage her. I know she's a cutie but I'm trying to teach her God damn it :)

I can't avoid people unfortunately, right outside of our apartment block is a park and 10 mins away is the forest - literally the world and his dog walk there. Plus bikers, plus pushchairs and what seems like Dpups personal favourite - small children.

Her biting and nipping is getting better slowly - we give her the big bone we bought her when she's being bitey. So now will lie in her bed and gnaw at that until she's got over the urge.

[TheHoHoHoundsBitch]

What a cutie! Love the little pink bits on her nose! Where do you live that gets to -20! Brr...
Dpup flies at you mouth open when she gets over excited - normal puppy mouth has almost gone away now, and she's not much of a chewer these days (except on rawhide) - she's lost all her puppy teeth!
This is my girlie at about 12 ish weeks I think?

[Shosha1]

HoHo she looks like our girl, she's three now and still can be a bugger outside when she feels like it.

Luckily she's tiny (13kg) so I can manage her.

We have two, other one is as good as gold.

Although both can be nuts.

[hmc]

for CarbeDiem - just prompted to post this after you mentioned a 3 hour walk for your puppy. Apols if this comes across as interfering busybody

[neme]

God no.. 3 hour walk for a 15 week old?

[TheHoHoHoundsBitch]

Ooer, what did I miss?
Shosha, they are sweeties, love a staffie

[marne2]

I dread taking my mutt to the vets, he drags me through the door, jumps up at the vet and licks her to death, refuses to stay still and almost hyperventilates. My dog is now 2 years old and is a nightmare ( I'm always posting on here for advice as he drives me nuts ).

[HemanOrSheRa]

Glad its just not me! My JRT is 5. We went to the vets for her boosters last month and got a ticking off when she wouldn't sit for one of the receptionists for a treat. "I take it cuteness won over training. YOU haven't been to classes, have you". I'm not sure if she meant me or the dog . My dog goes NUTS at the vets. So many people who want to look at her, lots of smells and other animals. She is very well behaved otherwise, really. Here she is posing in her Christmas bandana. She is only sat still and looking at the camera because my son put a doggy treat on my head!

[CarbeDiem]

Aww what cute pics.

HoHo I live in Eastern Europe. Normal is around -30 but apparently winter will be milder this year :)

Regarding the walk - The clock said 3 hours. In reality she actually walked, took footsteps for an hour - We're leash training so at the moment almost every step we have to stop, wait then start again. Normally we drive the car to the forest entry and walk her in there for roughly 30 mins or we do a lap of the park for around the same time.