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DD 14, going missing, contacting strangers online... what on earth do we do next?

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AntideluvianCat · 12/06/2017 15:00

DD has a history of making poor decisions online.

I allowed her to have a very closely monitored Deviant Art account when she was 13 (as art is something she's good at.. my reasoning was she could benefit from a gentle entry into social media while bolstering her confidence by showing off her artwork at the same time). Within days she was getting into arguments and interacting with strangers - one of whom I'm sure was trying to groom her. So the account was shut down.

A few months later, she was desperate to have an Instagram account, like all her friends, so we set one up, with the conditions that she didn't a) talk to strangers, b) lie, c) swear. Within weeks she was doing all of these things. I agreed she could keep it if I had the log in details. I kept her account permanently logged in on my phone, with her knowledge, so I could see exactly what was going on. Her behaviour would improve temporarily, but start to deteriorate again.

During the Easter school holidays, she and a friend went shopping to our nearest large town. They were both behaving quite shiftily when they got home, and a check of Instagram showed me that my DD has developed a crush on a boy from another nearby town, who boasts about being regularly arrested and smoking skunk. They'd set up a Snapchat account on one of the other girls devices, and DD had sent him explicit photographs of herself. This boy is, at this point, a complete stranger. No one had any idea who he is. They'd planned to meet him that day, but luckily he didn't turn up.

Fast forward to 3 weeks ago. DD was at her Dad's for the weekend. I received a call from DD's friends mum, saying she was worried about her safety, as she's told the friend she was off to meet this internet "friend" again. I contacted DD and her Dad, and yes, she'd told a pack of lies and was off to meet him again. When we intercepted her and told her she had to return to her Dad's immediately, she was on the train. She took two hours to get home again, and concocted a cock and bull story about missing her stop / engineering works etc. She claimed she was quite shaken by the whole experience, would never put herself at risk like that again, and that she hadn't actually met up with the boy, but I now know she most definitely had.

Since this happened, Instagram has been suspended, and she's had only limited access to her phone, and supervised internet access at home.

On the recent bank holiday Monday, she was again behaving a bit suspiciously, and cancelled out plans to go shopping together, to meet her female friend. I said they were not allowed to go into the large town 10 miles away, but that they could hang out here or at the girl's house, so they did the latter. To cut a long story short, I worked out that she wasn't with her girl friend, and was indeed with her internet buddy again. I reported her to the police, as she was uncontactable, and they found her 6 hours later, in another town, smoking in a park with a bunch of kids who are well known to the police for fighting / drink and drugs. The only piece of good news is that this boy is the same age as her, and is broadly who he says he is, rather than an older predator.

The police brought her home and had stern words (they were brilliant, actually), and since then, DD has been told that to get any freedoms back, she needs to earn our trust by demonstrating a more mature, truthful, and responsible attitude. She needs to put in some effort at school (year 10), and communicate with me, her dad, and her respective SD & SM.

In the meantime, I've found her smoking out of her bedroom window several times. So she's in trouble about that too.

So, she went off to her Dad's again this weekend, and was trusted with her phone for safety on the journey, and lots of communication all round about which trains she was getting, and when she would arrive. A perfect opportunity for her to earn a little trust back from us, but (predictably, I suppose), she went AWOL again, to meet this boy. Her phone had run out of battery, and she borrowed a phone from another passenger on the train to call the police, asking them to let me know her train had been delayed and she was OK! In her mind, this is her demonstrating a responsible attitude, completely ignoring the fact that she'd arranged to meet him in the first place (using Snapchat on her Dad's phone apparently... yes, words have been had with him too) and was still lying to us all.

So now, she's in a situation where she has no phone, no internet access, and can no longer travel too and from her Dad's independently. I've threatened to walk her to and from school too, but am holding off on that as I desperately want her to have at some opportunities to be with her friends and not completely take away every shred of independence.

I found a "to do" note in her blazer this morning, saying "1. re-activate Snapchat, 2. ask someone if I can use it, 3. get a phone, and 4. Find number for suicide prevention helpline". Obviously, this is the most worrying thing of all.

She has had some intervention from CAMHS in the past, but has nothing but contempt for them and refuses to talk to the GP about how she's feeling. She said she will talk to the school counsellor, but I'm not convinced she will, nor am I convinced of the counsellor's effectiveness anyway.

I think I might take her to the GP after school anyway, as if she's having suicidal thoughts, that's a medical / MH emergency - right?

But... what now? I can't keep her wrapped up in cotton wool, but I can't allow her to hang out with this drug taking fighter either. She is very vulnerable... she has dyspraxia, is very easily led, and is like a much younger child in so many ways. She doesn't seem able to think about the consequences of her actions, and says she doesn't care about her future. He best friend has told me she wants to have sex with this boy, and I know from her texts / social media in the past that she's very interested in trying skunk.

Just really hoping someone has some experience of turning a situation like this around Sad

I'm sorry this is so long. Thank you for reading it.

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AntideluvianCat · 12/06/2017 17:02

Anyone?

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MrsJayy · 12/06/2017 17:15

God what a worry you must be tearing your hair out Flowers first yes take her to the Gp if she will go you have concerns about her mental health secondly these friends be open to them say she meets a boy online chat about himask about him say he sounds nice blah blah the attraction of sneaking off might wear thin. Contact school they will beused to working with teens and risky behaviours even if you don't think the school councillor is up to much least it is somebody who she is prepared to talk to. I have a dd withdyspraxia she is nearly 20 and is still immature in some ways it is hard, however your Dd sounds like a lot of teenagers they just don't engage their brains try and relax a bit you don't need to be cool mum and let her do what she likes but if you fake interest in her online friends then she might confide in you a bit more and not push the boundry as much.

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SealSong · 12/06/2017 17:20

Managing this sort of behaviour is very difficult for any parent. Sounds like you're doing all the right things and all you can, but I think she needs extra help...she is very much at risk of sexual exploitation. There may well be a service in your area that will offer some preventative work with her around this in order to prevent her being exploited. The first step is to contact children's social care and refer her to them. They may wish to do an assessment of risk, or they may be able to refer to a relevant local source of support re the cse risk.

In relation to her mental state/suicide risk, would she talk to you about this if you gently asked her? She may open up to you if you calmly offer support. If you don't think she will open up to you then suporting her to speak to a trusted member of staff at school or to the school counsellor is a good idea - if they have any concerns re risk of self harm or suicide they will act accordingly - e.g refer to CAMHS if appropriate.
If you are concerned that she may take an overdose make sure all tablets are locked away at home.
If you feel she is severely suicidal and likely to act on it, don't hesitate to take her to A&E.

The last thing to consider is to try to get her father properly on-side with you...he needs to understand the risks and to be working with you on this. Easy for me to say though I know.

I'm a social worker in CAMHS, by the way.

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Iamastonished · 12/06/2017 17:21

How would you feel about her having a basic phone with no internet? Where is she getting money for cigarettes from?

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SealSong · 12/06/2017 17:22

Yes also as MrsJayy says, take her to GP if you have general concerns around her mental health.

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roarityroar · 12/06/2017 17:24

I think you need to stop being so controlling. No wonder she's pushing back. She's 14, not 4.

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SuperPug · 12/06/2017 17:32

Ok, roarity...
She's 14, getting herself into potentially dangerous situations. Four year olds don't generally get into those kind of situations do they? Fourteen year olds stilll need care and guidance.
OP, sounds like you're doing all that you can, definitely get the school involved and I would also look at and contact Frank re: issues on drugs.

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BigSandyBalls2015 · 12/06/2017 17:37

What an idiotic comment Roarity!! So you just expect the OP to let her DD get on with it!!

OP, get the school involved. They need to know and might be able to help. sounds a very stressful situation, best of luck.

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MrsJayy · 12/06/2017 17:40

Really Roarity controlling is not what the op is her Dd could be putting herself in danger but yeah the mum is controlling [

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Iamastonished · 12/06/2017 17:42

So, if your 14 year old found herself in these situations you wouldn't be bothered then Roarity? Hmm

The OP is justifiably worried, and every time she trues to trust her daughter it doesn't work. She is trying her hardest to be a responsible parent
Flowers for you OP. I wish I could offer some constructive advice.

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EezerGoode · 12/06/2017 17:50

You need to be taking her to school and collecting her...no more travelling to her dads alone.drive her / take her or she doesn't go...I expect ..having been there myself she is playing up / upset about the divorce..kids like their parents together,not always possible sadly...in yr shoes I would simply not leave her alone,I'd plan fun things to do at weekends ,and take and collect from school...movie nights/ girly face pack nights/ shopping/ swimming /cinema...keep her busy and away from social media,...sounds excessive,but I've raised 4 kids this way,eldest 20 ,I just made sure I was always around..failing all that I'd start looking at moving schools/ house.

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AntideluvianCat · 12/06/2017 18:23

Wow, thanks everyone Flowers - some really helpful and supportive advice on here Smile

She received a letter from the school counsellor today, and has been invited to an appointment to see her on Wednesday. So I assume the police contacted the school as a matter of course following yesterday's incident (if they hadn't done already). I will email the counsellor and head of year (really nice guy who DD likes and has helped us in the past).

I know the police were going to refer to Social Services following the first incident, but I haven't heard from them as I assume she's just not considered high risk enough for intervention (I worked for Adult Social Care for 20 years and I know our Children's services only picked up the most risky cases). However, I will call them for advice tomorrow, as, as you say, they may be able to recommend another service around teenage sex & drugs.

She seems a bit more herself this evening... still angry with me, of course, but I think trying to do the right thing. I think she will attend the appointment with the counsellor.

I have a cupboard with a lock on (it's getting quite full... Hmm), so I'll put any meds, razors, alcohol etc in there to be on the safe side.

She has an old iPhone, but I have an app installed, called OurPact, which enables me to switch off the internet and other apps. Obviously these are all off most of the time, and I've changed the passcode on the phone in the short term, so she can't use it at all, but I will keep stressing that she will be able to have her phone again in due course, once she's earned a bit of trust back.

I really want her to have opportunities to show us she's trustworthy. It's just such a shame she's messed up every time recently. She lies and lies and lies, even in the face of blatant evidence that she's lying. Its horrible living with this lack of trust, and it must be horrible for her to, to never be able to be believed.

There's no evidence that she's smoked for over a week now. I assume her online friends gave her a few cigarettes and they've run out. She wouldn't have the money or means to get any more, though I suppose people at school could give them to her.

And a massive "yes" to lots of nice things to do together. We went to the cinema last week - she didn't want to come with me, but I refused to take no for an answer, and she enjoyed it in the end. I'll keep that up.

Thank you so much everyone.

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SealSong · 12/06/2017 18:32

Do let social care know about the explicit photos amongst all the other issues. They need to be considering her as at risk of CSE....if you're not familiar with CSE risk do read up online about it...don't make the mistake of labelling it 'teenage sex'. Out of all you describe, it's one of my biggest concerns re your DD.
Good luck with everything, do come back on here if it helps.

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NoLoveofMine · 12/06/2017 18:37

Best wishes to you and your daughter AntideluvianCat. There's no way I could offer advice anywhere near as good as has been posted already but just wanted to say I read it all and you're a lovely mum with whom your daughter will get through the problems she's having. Plenty more cinema trips and days out with her will be great!

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user1487175389 · 12/06/2017 18:39

If it was me, I'd ground her completely take her up and down to school myself and ban her from all technology outside of school work until her emotional and social maturity catch up with her biological age. And definitely take her to the GP with the note so the severity of the situation can be noted.

You said yourself she's like a much younger child, so treat her that age and protect her.

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booellesmum · 12/06/2017 18:39

Just wanted to say you are doing a great job just by being so aware of what is going on.
I hope the counselling helps and your DD can turn things around.

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Beeziekn33ze · 12/06/2017 18:42

I think roarity IS 14 himself or herself.

A friend's midteen DD met a similar boy of a couple of years older in a park. Firmly applied sanctions by her horrified DM put a stop to the relationship and she soon went out with a decent boy nearer her age. Both families were happy with this, included both in outings and were planning holidays.

One weekend over a year later she didn't arrive when expected to meet her bf. She was with parkboy, far more exciting, her bf was broken but soon recovered. My friend's DD would believe no bad of pb until, a year later, after they had a baby,she suddenly saw him for what he was. Having the responsibility of a child didn't prompt him to attempt to find a job or give up his various illegal interests.

Some teenage girls do, eventually, see the mistakes they've made but it takes a while. Sadly parents need to call in all the help available and isolate DCs from the so-called friends who lead them astray,

OP I hope you find strength and help to get your DD out of the situation she's in. Doubtless DD won't thank you yet but she'll realise eventually who truly cares about her safety and happiness.

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AntideluvianCat · 12/06/2017 19:33

Yikes Beezie that is a salutary tale.

And SealSong - I have just read the NSPCC page on CSE and you're absolutely right. She is very vulnerable indeed. I wonder if that's where the cigarettes came from? Ugh.

Thank you for all the kind and supportive comments. Its really, really helping. Glad to know you feel my concerns are proportionate (because "everyone else is so much worse and no one else's parents are like you!!". Of course DD Wink).

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blankface · 12/06/2017 20:27

Hi OP.

You're doing a great job, hang in there Flowers Cake Gin

With dyspraxia and a lot of similar conditions, it's quite common to have poor social skills and probably more importantly immaturity. There's a huge gap between a kid's actual age and their emotional age. Usually, the kid is emotionally only about two thirds of the level of maturity of the physical age.

It's so hard because in some ways they "act" their age, but in others, they cannot. Typical spiky profile stuff.

Instead of expecting her emotional age to be 14, try and consider her emotional responses and actions as done by a 9 or 10 year old, it may give a little more insight into how out of her depth she is in socialising with her age-peers, and why she has a history of 'getting it wrong online'.

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SealSong · 12/06/2017 21:23

Glad to have been of help.
You sound like a very caring parent. One of the best things you can do for her right now is keep on showing her you love her...you don't like what she's been doing and you're concerned, but show her you still have faith in her as a human being. You can do this along side the sanctions, boundaries and accessing help.
She will come through this. 14 is such a tricky age. I had some real issues with my DD at around that age - she's grand now.

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Iluvthe80s · 12/06/2017 22:40

Sorry to read you are going through such a worrying time, but you are doing a great job!

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DisappearingFish · 13/06/2017 06:46

I think you have done well so far. This is my advice for what it's worth.

  1. Don't be in a hurry to give her a chance to earn your trust back/show that she's mature enough. She's obviously not there yet. Prepare yourself for the long haul - six months, a year - however long it takes.


  1. Get her a basic phone if you want her to be contactable. One with no internet access.


  1. Try to get her interested in something which is more exciting than meeting skunk boy. This might seem like rewarding bad behaviour but at this stage SB and his ilk are a bigger draw than anything else. Maybe horse riding? An art class? DofE? Scuba diving? Anything that draws her in and gives her a sense of responsibility and belonging.


  1. Get all the support you can, from school, SS, police, family etc. Don't be afraid to ask for help.


Good luck and I wish your daughter well.
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sashh · 13/06/2017 09:44

NSPCC and CEOP have some excellent resources.


Kayleigh's love story is worth a watch



Does she realise that the photos she sent are on the internet? Does she realise she committed a crime sending them?

Snapchat DOES NOT DELETE images - tell her this. She will swear black and white that it does, but it doesn't.

Anyone could come across those pictures, her teachers, her dad, her gran, neighbors - how does she feel about that?

The police can get them off the phone(s) they were sent from and too if you want to go that way.

lots of good advice on here from others. Good luck.
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AntideluvianCat · 27/06/2017 17:47

Sorry to revive this thread from a few weeks ago, but I thought it was better to post with all the information in one place.

DD has continued to attempt to see this boy, but (I believe) has been foiled each time so far. There have a been a couple of internet access slip ups, at her Dad's and perhaps on friend's phones, but we're all doing what we can to stop it happening. We're still taking her to school, escorting her around at the weekends etc.

I've spoken to Social Services, who feel we are doing all the right things at the moment, and also spoke to a really good GP, who specialises in teens, sexual health & drugs, and DD saw her alone yesterday. The plan is to refer her to a specialist youth worker, who will be there just for DD, not me. Brilliant plan, as far as I'm concerned, and DD is up for it too.

My latest worry though, is that this GP runs a drop in sexual health clinic for teens, which DD attended this afternoon. DD won't tell me why she went, but she assures me she isn't pregnant and doesn't have an STI. DD is still extremely angry and can barely be civil to me, and it's heart breaking, and very worrying, that the communication seems to have completely broken down. She says she just wants to left alone to deal with her own private business.

We're all still stressing the importance of honesty, particularly as a way in which she earn some trust back, and therefore some freedoms.

I'm so glad this service is here, and that DD wants to use it, but I also feel I need to know what's going on so I can continue to try to protect her in whatever way is needed, even though she hates me for it. Given recent events, I wouldn't be surprised if she's had sex - its quite likely that horse has bolted, to be honest - and wouldn't be angry, but I just want her to be safe.

Given her vulnerability, would it be reasonable to speak to the GP? Do they have to tell me anything? Or should I just back off?

Sorry if I sound over the top... feeling a bit emotional right now.

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juneau · 27/06/2017 18:14

If you believe she hasn't seen this boy, who do you think she's had sex with? I don't know if the doctor does have to tell you what she's said to him/her, but it might be worth letting the doctor know that your DD is in contact with SS for risky behaviour and that you're worried about her vulnerability and poor decision making. I don't blame you for escorting her everywhere and keeping her off social media. Every time you've allowed her access she's contacted this boy and/or gone off to meet him. She's only 14 and has no concept of the horrors that could befall her, so full of adolescent hormones and bravado. Flowers for you. You sound like a great mum.

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