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Does your DP tell you when he arranges contact?

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msevs · 24/07/2014 23:56

Because mine has just arranged an entire month's contact with my stepchildren and has given their mother the dates, but doesn't seem to think I should have been told, for some reason. We live together and have an infant DD.

I don't usually get involved in matters concerning my stepchildren and leave this to their parents, but I raised this with him when we bought a house together and he agreed that he would tell me when they would be staying over, however he still makes arrangements with their mother and doesn't tell me about it. Normally they come EOW but sometimes extra, which is when I would appreciate being informed seeing as we live under the same roof.

I have even heard him and the children's mother discussing them staying an extra night at our house on a certain date, my DP had already agreed to it but I had no idea what they were talking about until I asked him afterwards. He just told me casually, as if I didn't have a right to know in the first place. This was a couple of weeks after I had given birth so I wasn't very happy and I felt like a fool being the last to know, seeing as I'm supposed to be his partner!

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yoyo27 · 25/07/2014 01:59

That really isn't on. It is your home too, and no doubt will require extra provisions etc. it is your home too.

You should invite someone round and not tell him!!

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Elizabeth120914 · 25/07/2014 06:09

Mine doesn't always even tho he does about 5% of the actual looking after but never for a month id go mental! We are expecting a baby and if I end up dumped with new baby and dsd there will be hell to pay. I'd be livid that's an awful lot of extra time and work .. Wonder how he would feel if that was his mother in law u invited...

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thebluehen · 25/07/2014 08:40

I think a lot of dads feel it's "asking permission" to run things past their partner but it's simply courtesy and respect.

I really wouldn't be happy about a month without being told! You are not being unreasonable to expect to be told, and actually it's a decision you and him should make together as a co habiting couple.

It sends the wrong message to the kids that their mum decides what goes on in your house. It's undermining your role in their lives.

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ChiefBillyNacho · 25/07/2014 09:49

It amazes me how many SMs are treated like this. I don't have the issue as dp's children are adults and don't live close by, but its not something I would tolerate. It's so rude and disrespectful. I just don't get why they don't mention it, and yes definitely serves to undermine you as an equal in the partnership.

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Patrickstarisabadbellend · 25/07/2014 09:52

Refuse to look after the sdcs. That's what I would do.

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Theoldhag · 25/07/2014 10:00

Of course he does, dp always discusses his contact dates with me before agreeing and arranging. We are a team, no matter if it is my dc's of his dc. We are a family unit and all arranging is talked about between us first.

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catsmother · 25/07/2014 10:14

Unfortunately, it'd seem that for many of us "tell" is the operative word, as in being told about a fait accompli as opposed to having a discussion.

I tend to get "I've invited SD down next weekend, is that okay?" .... and feel like saying "no it's not you should have discussed it first" but that'd go down like a lead balloon, as there's only one acceptable answer to that question isn't there, which makes me think why bother "asking" me at all. It's clever really, because if I complain I'm not consulted, he can then claim he does ask me - but usually only as described above, and after SD has already been invited !

I think Bluehen is right - many men get the hump at asking "permission" to see their own children, but the fact remains that non resident kids do change the dynamics in a household - the same as any other person would if they don't normally live with you .... and there is a whole heap of stuff to be taken into consideration like extra shopping (and adjusting meal plans because stepkids don't like what you'd otherwise planned to eat), cleaning rooms, making up beds, making arrangements (or not) with friends and family which may be affected by their arrival, the cost of collecting and returning them etc etc. There is also no getting away from the fact that however much we support our partners, not all of us, on a personal level are filled with joy at the prospect of contact for a wide variety of reasons - such as bad behaviour, lack of discipline, lack of privacy, disappointment at having to ditch or postpone non child friendly plans ... and therefore, having contact thrown at you last moment without any discussion can be especially grating. Whereas a bit of notice when you know what's going to be happening on a particular date allows you to come to terms with it in advance, make plans accordingly, budget accordingly and so on.

It is all about courtesy. There would be very few occasions I'd veer veto a stepkid visit - the only time I would do so would be if DP had forgotten about existing plans we'd made which they couldn't be included in - so why the heck he can't always discuss it with me beforehand I don't know. We have a strict food budget which I work hard at to ensure we mostly have healthy appetising food - but I find it very stressful to discover at very short notice I have extra mouths to feed for example, which might not be so much of a problem if you could just make do with extra rice, bread or potato but when you have stepkids who are very fussy it's rarely that easy as they wouldn't even eat the main part of the meal.

I have an adult child who no longer lives with us and I certainly check with DP before they come round - and that'd be for a few hours usually and just one meal - because it's the polite thing to do. And that's even though he (DP) wouldn't be personally put out because he doesn't do any cooking!

I do also think, at least if my DP and his attitude is anything to go by, that some non res dads feel very "hard done by" because they don't live with all their children, and consequently justify not consulting their partners because they "only" see them for a relatively small percentage of time and therefore they're "entitled" to that no questions asked and no consideration for the ensuing impact on anyone else. And while everyone's situation is individual I also know that when DP and his ex decided to split, he made no effort to have the kids live with him and in fact rather enjoyed the fact he could "please himself" (sic) most of the month and then "have fun" with the kids EOW. I know this because this is what he told me when we first met! .... so, I do think it's a bit rich now to adopt this hard done by attitude when he could have pushed e.g. for 50:50 care way back when.

Thankfully this is less of a regular issue for me now as stepkids are much older but when "contact" (is it right to still describe socialising with older kids as "contact" anyway - I don't call it "contact" when I see my mum ?!) does happen, DP still has a nasty habit of me being the last to know. Often he'll have told MIL about an impending "contact" visit before I get to hear of it which makes me extra mad because potentially that also means meeting up with her or having her to stay as well.

Having said all that however, I do think that even my thick skinned, rather arrogant (IMO) DP would know where to draw the line and I don't think he'd dare dump a month's contact on me with (lots of) conversation first (emergencies excepted). There's no two ways about it that's going to have a significant impact on the whole house and no-one in their right mind would think it okay for you not to have been consulted OP. Will he be taking a whole month off work ? .... if not, sorry, but as you weren't asked, you won't be babysitting and he'll need to make alternative arrangements. Will he be doing all the extra washing and ironing required ? Will he be clearing up after them, cleaning the bath and the loo ? Does he have extra money to pay for food and entertainment without any impact on regular essential expenses ? (TBH, unless you're rolling in it, I'd feel very unhappy at continuing to give his ex the usual sum of CM for that month. Yes, she'll still have some regular overheads obviously but won't have the expense of food, entertainment and transport for the kids while they're away) ..... hopefully the answers to all of those questions is yes or else I'd be going ballistic .... and if it were at all possible, I'd be voting with my feet and taking a month's "contact" with my own parents by going to stay with them (appreciate not everyone can do this).

Whereas if he'd approached you some time ago, to mull over the idea, to reassure you he'd pull his weight, that you wouldn't get any extra work and be prepared to compromise if you had any reasonable objections, e.g. by reducing stay slightly or breaking it up by spending time with grandparents, then you wouldn't need to be posting here .......

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msevs · 25/07/2014 11:02

I see my DP isn't the only inconsiderate one here then! It has crossed my mind that he would see it as asking my permission if he ran it past me first, but the fact that he doesn't and often won't even tell me when extra contact has been arranged makes me feel disrespected. It does make me feel like he puts their mother's needs first and that she gets to call the shots. I just feel awkward on the occassions when I am with him picking his kids up, hearing them discuss contact and not being considered at all.

I think it has gone against me that I always saw it as their issue to deal with and never got involved but now that we live together and have our own family, it has a direct consequence on me. DP has just carried on like he did when we weren't living together. He is normally quite good with stuff like this, apart from anything involving his kids. The impression I get is that he doesn't see it as my business, only his and his ex's business, even though I have asked him to keep me informed.

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Petal02 · 25/07/2014 11:15

Excellent post Catsmother

If you bring another person into your household for a month, it does indeed changes the dynamics and will have some sort of impact on your domestic arrangements. So it’s courteous to discuss the visit with other adults in the household, and not present the situation as done deal, or ask ‘is it ok’ once the plans have been finalised with everyone else. I think a lot of men make a definite election NOT to ask their partners first, because they know what the answer would be.

Very good point about whether the OP’s DP should pay maintenance for the month in question.

I would also be tempted to vote with my feet if DH ever tells me that DSS is staying for a month. Although I realise that not everyone has that option.

Someone up-thread asked how the OP’s DP would feel if he was ‘told’ his mother in law was coming to stay for a month (!). I think we can guess the answer.

(Interesting point about when socialising with adult children stops being called ‘contact’ ……)

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msevs · 25/07/2014 11:20

catsmother, he has taken time off work so I presume he will be doing all the caring for his children, though I know there will inevitably be more housework for me. I am currently on maternity leave but have a pretty high needs baby so he knows I already have my hands full. I still would have liked to be informed because they will be staying at our house, bringing their friends over and so on. I have a routine with DD that goes out of the window when my stepchildren are here. Since I am only on maternity allowance we obviously also have less money for food etc, DP always says he is skint so I don't know how we are going to manage this.

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catsmother · 25/07/2014 11:32

You really do have my sympathies. Is there any way you and DD can escape to friends or relatives at some point ?

I also think he needs to explain and reassure you exactly how the extra expense will be covered off. It's not fair to put that extra stress on you when you played no part in the decision. Do think about the CM issue I raised - that could be one way of managing the (financial) situation though obviously reducing CM for that period would only work if your DP has an informal maintenance agreement rather than a CSA one.

And yes, I know it's natural for kids to want to see their friends - and this situation isn't their fault - but before any more unexpected people descend on you you're absolutely within your rights to insist that any playdates are arranged between yourself and your DP, and NOT for you to be left out of the loop again. This is especially important if your DD needs extra care which'll be impacted so you can be forewarned and plan accordingly.

As for extra housework there's no reason why he shouldn't pick this up - again, especially if you have a lot to do for DD. He can do it when they go to bed, or when they're preoccupied playing. Life still goes on - just as it does in "together" families - and stepkid contact shouldn't be an excuse for the NRP to abandon their fair share of boring stuff that needs to be done and dump it on their partner.

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msevs · 25/07/2014 12:11

I have been thinking of escaping to my parents' house for part of the month, not sure yet. I know DP has an informal CM arrangement with his ex so I suppose not paying it for a month is an option, whether he will raise this with his ex and rock the boat is another matter though.

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ChiefBillyNacho · 25/07/2014 12:26

I don't think it's on to mess around with maintenance.

I wouldn't be bothered by a casual calling in and staying for tea scenario. But agreeing a load of dates and not saying isn't on - its just not working as a partnership or a family. No wonder those on the receiving end of this get so worked up - must be utterly frustrating. And the root of that is the dp's who think they can carry on like this not the ex's.

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Elizabeth120914 · 25/07/2014 12:52

My dp doesn't see it as extra work because he does none on a normal basis! I do the shopping and pay the household bills where he pays the mortgage and other stuff. The difference is I earn about a 6th of what he does because I'm about to go on maternity so like the op managing the budget is an issue!! Obviously I can get him to pay more etc but it should be discussed!

When dsd is here I end up with her round my neck as she isn't interested in doing stuff with oh and he sees her being here as him being super dad and so if I don't organise days out, mediate, but nice food in nothing happens!

A lot of people are really quick to judge step mums but who else in the world would think it ok to invite guests for a month or even a weekend when there partner is heavily pregnant or has a new baby, assume they will feed them and clear up and when they are breast feeding or caring for a high needs baby make them feel uncomfortable in their own home that they pay for???

Ffs excuse the rant but why the bloody hell should a new baby and it's mother have to move out for part of a month is anyone in the real world?? Like stepmom bingo thread he has new priorities now and it's not ok for the step kids to be more important than his new baby! I may be hormonal but it's not ok it's bang out of order he's an arsehole and I would be saying no!!! Let him take them on holiday if he's off so u can have some peace!

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Castlemilk · 25/07/2014 13:00

Yes, I'd be going to your mum's.

And then next month, invite your mum back for a few nights, and don't tell him in advance. Why does he need to know? He only lives there, after all...

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NatashaBee · 25/07/2014 13:18

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catsmother · 25/07/2014 13:27

I wouldn't describe it as "messing about" with maintenance ChiefBilly - and certainly think that regular and reliable maintenance should be a given. However, in the particular circumstances described I do think it's something which could be negotiated between both parents as there's no getting away from the fact that the RP will end up with less expense that month and the NRP with more. How exactly, is that supposed to be funded otherwise if, as the OP describes, things are very tight in their household currently ?

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Petal02 · 25/07/2014 13:31

I wouldn't consider it to be 'messing with maintenance' either. If the child is spending the whole month with the Non Resident parent, then surely the resident parent has far fewer costs to meet that month, and any maintenance should be adjusted accordingly?

However too many resident parents want it all their own way; they're only too happy to ship the child off to their father's as often as possible, but still expect full maintenance ......

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Gettingmeback · 25/07/2014 14:43

Just x threaded same issue. Also asking for advice. But, it always comes back as a respect issue. I wouldn't organise something without discussing it with DH. It seems though, that DSD don't fit this criteria and arrangements can be made with no discussion and SMs we just have to wear it. If we don't, apparently we aren't supporting our DHs relationships with their children. I think it is up to you what you are prepared to accept. I feel for you.

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deckthehalls1188 · 25/07/2014 15:13

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ChiefBillyNacho · 25/07/2014 15:39

Isn't it contact over the period of a month, not contact for a whole month?

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