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Mumofttwins Sat 22-Oct-16 18:08:01

Can anyone point me in the right direction please.

I'm looking to find out the cost of our Local Authority Special School.

BuffySENsational Sun 23-Oct-16 22:38:34

I'm struggling with this as well twins but have started with the LA's section 52 budget statement (?) - however I can't make head or tail of it so have written a FOI request to the school and will also do one to the LA.

Hopefully someone else with more knowledge will be along soon X

AngelicaM Mon 24-Oct-16 14:39:37

Ohh, I'd like to know this too if I can lurk!!

BuffySENsational Mon 24-Oct-16 15:06:57

Lurk away grin

JsOtherHalf Mon 24-Oct-16 21:41:35

I came across it some years ago for the local authority, no idea where.

Figures were roughly as follows:
Mainstream primary school £3000 per year.
Special school for children with moderate learning disabilities £17000
Special school for children with profound and multiple learning disabilities £23000.

Mumofttwins Tue 25-Oct-16 10:07:40

Thanks all for posting and lurking grin. It seems like a popular question!

Mumofttwins Tue 25-Oct-16 10:08:52

Js, thanks for those figures. I'll try and do some more digging. So much for transparency hmm

MayhemandMadness01 Tue 25-Oct-16 10:16:02

Search high needs funding on basically schools are funded per pupil (element 1) this can vary between LAs but around £4k, they have a notional sen budget of £6k for students with additional needs, (element 2), they have to show that they have used this money on support before they can access element 3 which is dependent on the individual needs to the student. Not an expert and this is a very basic desription

claw12 Tue 25-Oct-16 10:36:34

FOI request should get you the info you need

Olympiathequeen Tue 25-Oct-16 11:47:06

I would ask the La in a formal request. There is freedom of information, but you would need to pay to get that information.
Vague memory of them saying £9K for all children, and extra £10K for SN and £10K (minimum) on top for SS. Very vague memory though!

FrayedHem Tue 25-Oct-16 13:31:04

My LA publish their SEN budget information online. 2015/16 stated each SS place is 10k plus a top up premium per pupil depending on the setting. The top up ranged from just over 1.5k for a pupil at a CLiP school to just over 12k if secondary boarding at a BESD.

zzzzz Tue 25-Oct-16 15:22:00

How does the information help you?

BuffySENsational Tue 25-Oct-16 16:35:14

If I could get an honest answer it would prove my school choice is cheaper than la school choice even with board and transport thrown in grin That's how it would help me zzz

I'm going to have another look tonight and see if I can work it out confused

JsOtherHalf Tue 25-Oct-16 16:45:07

Have a look here, search for your school:

Near the bottom of the page it'll show you some figures.

Frogandbear Tue 25-Oct-16 20:46:14

JsOtherHalf Wow - that website is excellent and full of information. Should be just what the OP is looking for.

BuffySENsational Tue 25-Oct-16 22:18:32

But it only gives pupil spend/cost and not the actual cost of a school place or the amount a school would receive per pupil/place sad but it is a great link smile

youarenotkiddingme Wed 26-Oct-16 19:41:04

It gives the average cost per pupil and the average adult to pupil ratio - I suspect somewhere in that gives information that would be useful to question the school with!

For example where DS school gives average cost per pupil as 6,400 odd and the actual income (can't remember) is 3000 per pupil lea funding and 300 self generated you can ask where the other 3100 comes from, is that including Sen funding and then ask specific questions such as where they have 11 pupils on Sen register what's the average spend per pupil on Sen register and average second per low achiever/disadvantaged pupil etc.

I'm sure there's maths in there that would work out to our advantage grin

Mumofttwins Thu 27-Oct-16 20:46:56

Thanks all for the replies. And the links.

I'm not getting emails regarding this thread, so it looks like I'm ignoring everyone.

I'd like to use it to put my case to the LA - I feel they're hiding costs but need evidence.

lougle Thu 27-Oct-16 23:13:16

It isn't simple. In our LA base funding for a MS place is c. £4k. So a MS SN place would be £10k including £6k top up funding.

In SS base funding is £10k, then children are stepped at one of 3 levels, which is decided by the LA in response to evidences compiled by the school for each child. A low step would only get +£1k, say, but a high step would give +£7k...or whatever. But then, the reason they are awarded the step is because of the cost of their provision.

E.g. A child with high medical needs who needs constant attendance, may get the highest step, but that money will be swallowed up (and more) by the cost of employing an extra TA for that class over and above its usual staffing compliment.

We never come out in profit on the funding!

Mumofttwins Fri 28-Oct-16 10:19:43

Thanks lougle, that's broke it down for me.

lottieandmia Fri 28-Oct-16 10:27:45

If you're trying to argue for an independent school you can't really use cost of LA provision in any part of your argument (or at least this was historically the case) because placements in LA schools, once they've been allocated are regarded as 'zero cost'.

I am not sure if that is relevant in your case but in my experience you always need to show that the LA provision is inappropriate and your choice of provision is to win the case.

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