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What are the expected grades of a "middle Ability" Pupil (Governments definition) for Gcse.

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soul2000 Mon 03-Feb-14 12:02:19

Obviously this is related to how you class middle ability. , A pupil of middle ability in a Grammar school would be high ability in a middle range comprehensive.

However if you use the Governments Definition of Middle ability, what grades are expected at GCSE , A Level E.TC.

tiggytape Mon 03-Feb-14 14:27:07

Grade C on the basis that a pupil leaving primary school on Level 4 - the expected level for their age (but one that most higher ability children exceed) - should expect to progress at a rate required to eventually achieve grade C in the core subjects by Year 11.

I think about 70% of pupils who leave peimary school on a level 4b end up with 5 A*-C grades including English and Maths but the rate for those who left primary on a 4c is lower (around 50%)

soul2000 Mon 03-Feb-14 14:54:54

Thanks Tiggy.. Obviously plenty of "Middle Ability" kids will go on to get As , but they might be at the top end of the Middle Ability Group. The Middle Ability kids at Grammar Schools are likely to be at the top end of the group hence they would except A grades, B grades at worst.

It also makes sense that Cs are the expected achievement, because schools are ranked on 5 A* to C ..

MillyMollyMama Tue 04-Feb-14 13:38:58

Interestingly the average grade of the very few pupils with middle ability (as defined by the Government) at my local grammar school was B. The average grade of the middle ability at my DN's comprehensive was C-. The high ability children there averaged a B, at the grammar is was A+. There will be differences in achievement according to what end of the high and middle attainment band the children are and, crucially, the value added and quality of teaching and learning. Would the high ability children in the comprehensive have attained an average of A if they had gone to my local grammar? From the published statistics, the grammar adds value, the comprehensive does the opposite. Therefore parents cannot expect a definite grade of GCSE achievement based on the abilities as defined by the government. It depends upon the quality of the school and having plenty of children with ability at the top end of the range, not the bottom.

tiggytape Tue 04-Feb-14 13:56:24

Well it depends on so much more in fact - it is impossible to look at a child at 10 and say with any certainly what GCSE results they will get. You can only say where they'll end up if their progress is exactly as expected.

You can say a middle ability child (defined as leaving primary on level 4b) they should get C grades in core subjects. But they might get all A*s or they may fail the lot.

It depends on the school to some extent of course but it also depends on support at home, whether they fall ill during their teens, whether they suffer any life changing events in their teens, whether they have to move house once or several times, whether they get the chance to pick options they're good at and don't adversely affect their core subjects, whether staff turnover is a problem in their year group, whether they make friends with others who encourage them to disengage, whether they are bullied, whether they are naturally lazy and not inclined to work very hard, whether they are happy at the school generally....

So a child should get C grades if they leave primary school as a middle ability child (defined by their SATS results not their relative position in a grammar school) but that doesn’t mean they will get those grades anymore than a high achieving child is guaranteed all A* grades 5 years own the line.

crazymum53 Tue 04-Feb-14 14:48:26

MillyMollyMama in your post you have simply compared 2 different schools local to you and compared their average grades. The fact that they are a grammar and a comprehensive may not be relevant outside your area.
I checked the statistics and only 15% of pupils who obtained level 5 or above at KS2 achieved grades A or A* at GCSE so are SATS really that accurate. See www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2013/06/the-data-on-level-5-conversion-to-gcse-grades/
However CATs tests results are more accurate predictors of GCSE performance see www.gl-assessment.co.uk/products/cat-cognitive-abilities-test/cat-cognitive-abilities-test-faqs#faq3 and these tend to be used by secondary schools rather than SATs results alone.

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