My feed
Premium

Please
or
to access all these features

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Relationships

The ex partner who isn't the biological father

36 replies

Renovationguy · 07/03/2021 21:45

Hi all, I'm interested in some female perspective if you may. My relationship ended recently with my partner and she has 2 young children from a previous (controlling and coercive) relationship.

We were together a little over 2 years. As a non-parent it's fair to say it took me the best part of a year to really feel comfortable that this was right for me as well as them, getting over anxieties about biology with the constant intimidation from the ex-husband going on in the back ground as well as court hearings about contact and dividing up assets.

It was a hell of a learning curve, her youngest was still being breast fed initially when I stayed. I learnt a lot, about sleepless nights, putting him back down myself ,over time cuddling him and holding his hand after I laid him back down. The moments were a big deal to me but perhaps it hadn't sunk in at the time.

I kept myself at distance probably for too long initially, still placing my own priorities first a bit too much and finding myself somewhere on the journey between single man mentality and being a family mentality. Not committing to many 'family' days out entirely or often enough. I wasn't confident yet, the ex-husband was talked about a lot by her family and there was something nasty brewing so I found it hard to be completely comfortable yet.

I almost lost my job because of an incident where her former employer made a vexatious complaint to my own employer. The ex husband had paid this guy off to frame her and hack her laptop and a perfectly polite visit by me to pick up some personal effects landed me in disciplinary proceedings at work.

At this point , I committed to them indefinitely as my family despite her apologies and suggestion we ended it over the mess i'd been involved in . I realised what they meant to me and 3 months later we found a tracker on her car and the police arrested a private detective near my house. Her children loved me and painted me into paintings as the fourth family member.

Unfortunately the pandemic meant we were had to live apart, her sister whom she lived with wouldn't let me move in. She almost had a breakdown and I ploughed all my positivity and support into keeping her afloat during the investigation with several phone calls a day and ' illegal' walks . I was doing it for her and what I thought was going to be our family. Without complaint or any question.

The police enquiry ended as No Further Action and i never made the bubble or any since , her mother chosen instead of me. I survived on walks and outings with them which I treasured. I ran around like an idiot having fun with the kids but had to keep myself focused on some projects at home to stop myself feeling negative about the separation . It's fair to say it really became clear after Covid came how much I missed the kids as well as her, more than I thought i could to be honest. I used to say insensitive things like "but they're not my kids" when I felt sadness looking at other dads at local attractions, wishing they were mine. But, when I committed to them after a year I didn't even care anymore, i felt like I was growing into this idea of being their dad and it was down to their trust in me also. I volunteered to babysit to see the kids rather than save her cash in all honesty, I loved being Dad doing teeth brushing and story time.

As the pandemic wore on I began to suffer what I now know was anxiety about the uncertainty around not seeing then. We had a couple of run ins but sorted it, I was allowed to stay again, but the rules changed after a temporary lockdown so I was out again by November. I missed them loads and suffered a really bad breakdown one day over talk of them moving further away. It ended the relationship , I spoke to a counsellor for the first time in my life . We got back together and I spent several lovely days being the family she'd wanted us to be before they went off to their fathers for Christmas.

Once they returned from contact a further lockdown was underway, the same one as we're still in now and there was zero contact, no meeting outside even allowed. I tried hard to remain upbeat , suggested positively we swap her mother to the 'childcare' option and me to the bubble but I got accused of being selfish and making it about my needs only. Yes I was struggling bigtime without them after some brilliant days before Christmas but I genuinely wanted to help her through a tricky period also, wash up, cook ,play with the kids and move forward as a family. She saw it as self serving, I even made dinners and dropped them off like she had when we first met but i got accused later of this being about leverage. Her growing indifference to my struggle just peaked my anxiety too.

I sort of cracked up , worried about not seeing them and she said I was putting pressure on her. She didn't have the capacity to reassure me .The relationship ended. Needless to say I was devastated and all the built up emotion and anxiety I'd had to keep a lid on came out. I talked about how I missed the children and how this year had created a genuine mental health blip without my 'family' but she maintained it was in my head, i was using them to manipulate her, we weren't a family and they told everyone they loved them not just me, I was never there and all sorts of stuff that was absolutely brutal to hear for a fledgling non-biological dad. She diminished every thing I remembered so dearly.


I had to see the GP quite quickly and also spoke to a counsellor and anxiety was diagnosed going back some time into this pandemic. I can't say I'm doing much better really, i wake up thinking of them all every morning . She maintains it's in my head and won't acknowledge that I've genuinely suffered from anxiety by missing them through this thing.

Does anyone have experience of an ex partner who isn't the children's biological Dad forming a bond with your children ?

Did they struggle like I am when the relationship ended? Did it seem justified in their reaction ?

Do you think i'm finding it worse because of the lockdown?

Has anybody maintained contact with the ex-partner and do the kids still see them?

I have no clue if an ex seeing the kids is a thing?

OP posts:
Report
PlaceYourItemInTheBaggingArea · 07/03/2021 21:54

My sister split up with a long term partner, he takes her son out every weekend and he stays over when she's on nights. His dad is also involved with weekly visits. This has been going on years, her son is in high school and they're all happy with the set up. She has been in a relationship for a couple of years with someone new.

Report
WineInTheWillows · 07/03/2021 22:00

Not unless she wants you to, no. And it sounds very much like she doesn't, if I'm honest.

Report
pog100 · 07/03/2021 22:13

Mate, I'm sorry but she doesn't want you in her, or her family's, life. It's tough but, as so often, two people are seeing the same relationship in very different ways. Of course it's really easy to get to know and love small kids, that's kind of what they are good for but it's also why responsible parents don't involve new partners until they are very, very sure that's it's going to be a long term one. This was a mistake, from both of you, but you are the one paying for it (and maybe the kids if they old enough to notice)
However, you cannot do anything but leave them all to it. Trying to have a relationship with the kids at this point is going up be a terrible mess for everyone concerned.

Report
Renovationguy · 07/03/2021 22:17

cheers for the responses guys

OP posts:
Report
Savemyself · 07/03/2021 22:20

Maybe think long term, what if you meet a new partner who also has children, or want children of your own..

Report
Scarby9 · 07/03/2021 22:23

A partner of a woman I know, who was with her less than a year, shares residency of the children (now late teens- we are 8 years on) 60/40 with their father after their mother sadly died. He has been an amazing guardian and parent for them.

Report
CloudPop · 07/03/2021 22:26

What a sad situation. Nobody is a winner here.

Report
Keepitnerdy · 07/03/2021 22:27

My friends fiancé died after them being together for 8 years and she still has her step son round once a month and see him regularly. However as a single mum with a young kid if me and my ex had only been together 2 years and they've been active in my kids life properly for less than a year (because of pandemic restrictions) and had do much trouble with my ex etc, I would not be letting my kids continue a relationship with my ex... Honestly I would question if there was a neferious reason and I would also want to focus on being by myself and raising my kids .

Not in a horrible way but you seem to be struggling with your mental health (it's great your seeking help!) But I wouldn't want that mental load in my life .

I hope you can put her behind you and focus on the future.

Report
Renovationguy · 07/03/2021 22:27

That's incredible Scarby. I'd jump infront of a bus for these kids.

OP posts:
Report
Keepitnerdy · 07/03/2021 22:29

I think it's worth taking this as a positive that you are ready for kids and to settle down, but remember to take the time to breathe and focus on yourself. Move forward when your ready and healthy you do sound like a caring person.

Report
Renovationguy · 07/03/2021 22:30

keepitnerdy i see your point and unfortunately I think she found that stressful. Ironic it stemmed from missing them.

Unfortunately nobody quite understands how hard it is going through these lockdowns away from people you'd been asked to think of as your family. So yes, i did suffer a bit as a result.

OP posts:
Report
Keepitnerdy · 07/03/2021 22:34

I have my own kid but I was teaching young kids and had to leave my job. I was actually quite heart broken even though they weren't mine. That's the thing with kids when you get to know them you start to love them (biology) otherwise people would be abandoning these needy, money draining children 😂

Report
Renovationguy · 07/03/2021 22:37

Sadly yes. I do love them and it's messed my head up not being able to see them all.

Mental health always been fine until these circumstances combined! Didn't get any empathy sadly ...

OP posts:
Report
Keepitnerdy · 07/03/2021 22:37

The thing about depression is that you think your the only one. My ex lives on the other side of the country and could barely see his kid due to restrictions going months between visits.

Your not alone there are other people going through the same thing but your relationship is over? I know it's hard but it's not the focus of your life now. Keep going to counseling and whatever else your doctor's have prescribed try new activities and refocus yourself.

I hope things start getting better soon for you.

Report
PrincessTuna · 07/03/2021 22:38

Hello it is a very difficult situation. I can relate.

I was step mum for ten years then broke up with their dad. I'd spent every single weekend with them from ages 3-13, and 7-17. I love them and it was heart breaking. My split was acrimonious as my ex had cheated, he moved in with OW and neither of them wanted me hanging round anymore.

I'm afraid you have no rights. In my case the children's mother recognises that I am like family to her kids so doesnt mind me spending time with them. It's not frequent though.

It would make me cautious about dating people with kids in future. One day you are expected to act like a second parent, the next treated like a weird hanger on, all at the mercy of the parent.

Report
Keepitnerdy · 07/03/2021 22:40

Sometimes when I can't stop focusing on someone or a event I treat it like they died, like that's all the memories I'll have of them, that my life goes on but there's doesn't. I find as time goes on I think of them less and less and eventually their just stories I tell my friends if I mention them at all

Report
Keepitnerdy · 07/03/2021 22:43

@PrincessTuna I'm sorry to hear that especially after such a long relationship, I do feel that's one of the peril's of dating single parents despite being one I would be wary of dating one myself.

Report
Renovationguy · 07/03/2021 22:45

Princesstuna

Sadly yes I agree. It's properly ruined me . I couldn't really hack her talk of our future, me taking her daughter climbing on my own and going away in the new year to now....well nothing. Head fart time sadly.

OP posts:
Report
Plzholdmyhandforamin · 07/03/2021 23:10

I'm sorry OP, this sounds very hard on you.

It's clear she was keen to include you in the family side of things from very early on, that's never a good idea because feelings/relationships change and it can be damaging to young children to have people flit in and out of their lives.

That isn't a criticism to you, more so that I think she should have waited until she was totally sure that the relationship was going somewhere.

Given the fact she didn't want to have you as a bubble it seems she was having doubts already. I don't think your depression/anxiety is the cause of the split personally (although yes it can be hard for the other person to deal with)

From what you've written I'm sure you'll make a good father one day, as hard as it is try to move forward now.

Report
gutful · 07/03/2021 23:18

I loved my ex's son & it hurt when we split up.

I think Covid isolation may have affected you here.

This isn't your "family" and they have a father who is involved in their life. I can see how your ex would find it offputting to have you unloading on her that you feel shut out from "your" family when it wasn't yours to begin with.

It sounds like you committed to this concept of a forever family without understanding that "step parents" or "BFs/GFs" have no rights regarding the children & that it's not really your place to view them as being "yours".

You sound really overinvolved & a "helper" or "fixer" wanting to help solve her childcare issues by being her bubble etc. But in my experience it is best to leave the parent to do the parenting of their child/ren - don't get bogged down in doing actual grunt work the way you offered.

You do sound keener on her than she was with you - so for her to have you being this grief stricken over being shut out from her children's lives would likely put her well off you. It's too needy, too desperate.

I wonder what your relationships with family were like that you were so keen to have this be your "insta family" when the kids had an active father in their lives.

Perhaps you are lacking in that "authentic family" feeling & this is what has led you to over-commit to this woman & her kids, making them your surrogate family.

This attitude will put you at risk of someone who is going to use you for what you can provide their kids, not love you for who you are as a person.

I am childfree but if I were you would stop dating single mothers still breastfeeding their babies! If the baby is on the boob - probably a bit early to be dating them. As evidenced by you getting emotionally caught up in their shit show of a break up.

You were a rebound am sorry to say - she likely craved the stability & support you provided when she needed it. When she had found her strength she had no more use for you & then you felt her go cold.

In future don't give more than you receive. I know it's hard (am a giver & nurturer too!) but once you've been burnt a few times, you do learn to scale back on your giving.

Report
Candyfloss99 · 07/03/2021 23:29

This is sad. Of course they were your family. Unfortunately they aren't anymore and I think you need to accept this or you will just prolong your suffering. I think you probably did rush in way too quickly. A lot of people wouldn't even have met their partners children yet 2 years in. I don't think this was your fault though. I'm sure you'll be more cautious in future. Also give people with psycho exes a wide berth, I speak from experience!

Report
SandyY2K · 07/03/2021 23:29

Wow...so much drama that you don't need on your life.

You were together for 2 years, not married and it doesn't sound like she was as into you, as you were to her.

A relationship with a person with children can be difficult. Is she/#her kids maintained contact with all her boyfriends it could rather messy.

I'm not sure of your age, but finding a childfree woman will save you from this hurt in the future.

Report

Don’t want to miss threads like this?

Weekly

Sign up to our weekly round up and get all the best threads sent straight to your inbox!

Log in to update your newsletter preferences.

You've subscribed!

gutful · 08/03/2021 01:41

@Candyfloss99 How were these kids "his family" ?

A lot of people on MN would be up in arms if their ex-partner's GF was calling their children "her family" and hadn't even lived together!

They really weren't his family. He wasn't even their stepfather. He was trying to place himself in a surrogate father situation when these children have a father already (albeit one that is causing problems is still their father)

Report
gutful · 08/03/2021 01:43

@SandyY2K Why are you recommending a bloke who is clearly incredibly clucky go out with a childfree woman?

Hope you mean a woman who doesn't have kids yet

Why would us childfree women want a clucky boyfriend who wants a family? That's exactly what we don't want!

"Childfree" means you don't want kids, ever. Not just someone who hasn't had them yet.

Report
Renovationguy · 08/03/2021 08:50

Interesting perspectives. Thanks all.

Gutful: I was very much seen as part of the family up until it finished. She had pushed hard the idea of us moving in and renovating a house and sent some very lovely things in the past like images of a couple wirh children in it and 'us' circled .

I actually was a bit taken a back initially but over time i grew comfortable with it.

It's not about possessiveness or anything like that from me.

As soon as it ended and i mentioned these things i got told to leave her kids alone and they didn't need anybody but her. Ouch.

But hey ho. As you say i dont have any rights and im absolutely ok with that and wouldn't push my own 'needs'.

Last thing i want is any distress for any of them. And yes sadly as someone stated i think maybe i was rebound.

Just shit that i have a genuine emotional bond with 2 kids who's upbringing i was excited to contribute to.

OP posts:
Report
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.