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uhoh1973 Sun 17-Jul-16 20:27:42

Just wanted to check what's 'normally' taught at KS2 maths...
DD1's school year 5 ('top' set) they do not yet know their times tables (only 2s, 5s and 10s). They have had no homework for a term and are ropey on division e.g. 265/8 and multiplication e.g. 20x24.
Is this normal or quite frankly a bit crap?

Brokenbiscuit Sun 17-Jul-16 20:38:06

I think it's a bit crap. Certainly not my dd's experience.

irvineoneohone Sun 17-Jul-16 20:42:17

This site says it follows NC.
If you choose year group, you can see what they learn in each year group in detail.

SharonfromEON Sun 17-Jul-16 20:43:28

My DS end of year 4 knows his times tables till 12 and learning his division..My DS is not top by the way .

It may well be worth putting your DD on for practise over the summer..My DS loves it game playing but practises with speed.

uhoh1973 Sun 17-Jul-16 20:50:40

Thanks for your replies. I have read the NC but wondered what reality was..
I am concerned the school is too focused on 'enrichment activities' whilst the children still can't do basic maths. Sigh :-(

irvineoneohone Sun 17-Jul-16 20:56:18

I just checked my ds's homework book. One of his homework in October was division, and it was like

108/4, 225/5, 235/5, 301/7, 184/8 etc for top table. He is in YR3.

GottaCatchEmAll Sun 17-Jul-16 20:58:32

My son is year 5 middle set and could do those questions in y3 middle set.
I find thast his homework varies a lot and is occasionally way too easy (perimeter!!) so not a good gauge of ability.

noblegiraffe Sun 17-Jul-16 20:58:45

My Y2 DS did his 2s, 5s, 10s at the start of this year and has also done 3s and some others.

GottaCatchEmAll Sun 17-Jul-16 21:00:26

This year there's been a lot of decimals, fractions and percentages.

uhoh1973 Sun 17-Jul-16 22:19:42

Hmm this reinforces my concern that they are behind....

irvineoneohone Mon 18-Jul-16 07:46:48

How was a KS2 sats results of your dd's school this year?
Is it unusually weak cohort in yr5?

At my ds's school, they were doing up to 12 times table in top set in YR2.
Few weeks ago, my ds said they were doing 12 times table as a whole class(yr3). And they've done division with reminders as well. So it sound like yr5 in your dd's school is way behind.

uhoh1973 Mon 18-Jul-16 08:18:50

Have the KS2 results been published yet?
From my dim memory I was learning times tables between the ages of 5 and 7. Not 9 til 11!
It's depressing. How should I raise this?

irvineoneohone Mon 18-Jul-16 08:52:03

If I remember correctly, yr5 children are not yours, but your friend's.
So I assume yr5 children's parents have to speak to the school about it. Meanwhile, you might have to help them get to the level of expected yr5 standard.

How are the standard in your dd's year group? Are they behind as well?

educatingarti Mon 18-Jul-16 08:54:07

They should know all their tables by the end of year 4. This is according to National Curriculum

uhoh1973 Mon 18-Jul-16 09:09:10

My concern is if Yr5 are 2 years behind it doesn't bode well for DC's current or future years. We are told DC1 is meeting national expectation...

suit2845321oie Mon 18-Jul-16 09:17:26

Just had a quick look at year 5 book, top set but def not top of the class, March time, and not a maths fan. Long division 168400 divided by 17 and she seems to have been able to do it despite what we've seen at home. They also appear to have done division and long division where the answers are in decimals so no, what you are saying doesn't sound correct. From what I can see top set seem to have covered most of what they'd need for an old level 5.

irvineoneohone Mon 18-Jul-16 10:05:47

I can understand, it is worrying for your dd.
But it could be that they have very weak year group for some reason.

I think you just have to keep an eye on what your dd is learning, compared to NC, and take action if not satisfactory. Good luck.

Autumnsky Mon 18-Jul-16 10:39:28

You can use the summer holiday to help your DD catch up. I always think primary school stuff are not that hard, you can buy some work book from book shop and ask your DD to do 20 minutes per day. Or use a website. There are lots of website you can practice math.

redhat Mon 18-Jul-16 10:44:01

DS2 (not in the top set) was doing decimals, multiplying and dividing fractions, and percentages last year (Year 4). They all had to know all of their times tables inside out by the start of year 3 (and those new to the school were given exercises to help them catch up). They were tested on them regularly.

I would be a bit concerned. If they don't know their times tables then thats a real obstacle to progression. Reducing fractions for example is very difficult without knowing your tables but very easy if you do know your tables well.

Bumpsadaisie Mon 18-Jul-16 10:58:35

The times tables sounds a bit think. Mine has just finished Y2 and has done 2s, 5s, 10s, 3s and 4s.

Bumpsadaisie Mon 18-Jul-16 10:58:50

"thin" not "think" ...

Autumnsky Mon 18-Jul-16 12:18:46

DS2(Y3) is doing times table this year.

tiggytwig Mon 18-Jul-16 12:34:56

That's very weak and I think this is below the NC. My DD is in YR 1 an has done times tables 2 to 6 and also 10 and 11 as well 'what is half of' and a bit of fractions using diagrams.

My DS has just finished Yr 6, but in Yr 5 he had done all the times tables and done division, fractions, percentages and a little bit of algebra.

tiggytwig Mon 18-Jul-16 12:37:57

Also OP you might want to see KS2 SATS in what the children are to be doing in YR 6. Just don't want to alarm you though.

bojorojo Mon 18-Jul-16 12:47:23

The KS2 results will be given to the parents of Y6 pupils who took the SATS tests. The league tables will not appear until December. I do not think the school will have to report them to Y5 parents, or any other parent before then, so talk to any Y6 parents you know.

Have you not been given a copy of the curriculum your child is studying in Y5? Obviously it has now changed and is more demanding. Not knowing tables will seriously compromise work in Y6 and I think your child must be in a lower achieving group. Do you know what other children are doing in Y5 because not knowing tables is behind, but obviously some children are behind and struggle with Maths. What has been said to you at parents' evenings and on previous reports? What are the school doing to support lack of prior achievement? Some schools take the lower achieving children out to do refresh/catch-up work before they start a new topic. Has this happened in your school? I would be asking a lot more questions and try and get into school as soon as you can. Ask to see the progress your child has made and what he/she can do at "expected" level for Y5. They should be able to talk to you about this in some detail and you should be able to look at workbooks which back up the school's judgements.

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