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BambooBear13 Tue 25-Mar-14 13:15:52

The countdown to allocations day is close - do schools know by now who is going to be offered a place?

my2bundles Tue 25-Mar-14 13:27:29

I dont think so. it dosent really matter if they do as they wont give out information to parents.

mammadiggingdeep Tue 25-Mar-14 14:57:55

I'm getting nervous already. Just expecting to not get the schools we want as then I won't feel gutted.

Thewildsofnarnia Wed 26-Mar-14 20:24:31

No. We get a list about secondary allocations the day before. It is usually the same for primary allocations. Obviously completely confidential and is not discussed.

poopsydaisy Thu 27-Mar-14 13:59:32

One of my friends is waiting to hear about her DD's primary application....she's applied to an out of area school where her elder child already attends.

Head Teacher has recently approached my friend in the playground and asked about her younger daughter - said she's on 'his list', whatever that means! So yes, I think in some areas, HT's might already know who they're expecting....

doodledotmum Thu 27-Mar-14 14:03:20

I wondered if that was the case too. Would love to know out of curiosity

3asAbird Tue 01-Apr-14 08:53:43

if a va faith school or possibly even academy this could be true.

changed since eldest went as we applied october found our march 1st but there was timeline of applications in admissions book and faith schools report back their list to lea lot earlier than they decide community places yet everyones told same date which is now april for primaries so as its school deciding their own admission and informing lea of that decisions guess quite possible they know.

prh47bridge Tue 01-Apr-14 09:27:50

No, you have misunderstood the process.

VA schools and academies send the LA a list of all the applicants placed in order using the admission criteria. They don't just send back a list of successful applicants. They can't because they don't know. To know who is actually going to get a place they would need to know which other schools applicants had applied for, the order of preferences and whether or not they qualified for offers from those schools. VA schools and academies are not allowed to have any of that information.

mummytime Tue 01-Apr-14 09:43:04

Could poopsydaisy's friend's HT have known that her schools was top of the list of preferences? In which case they might know that child was in the top 30 or whatever. (But they won't really know until they get the list, as the friend might have really put a different school 1st.)

3asAbird Tue 01-Apr-14 12:22:24

Gosh its confusing. I read it as the va rc school made the decisions then informed council dident realise council made decsion based on adidmisons. criteria just thourght at time they must know way ahead of actual offers day.

All the coe schools are run by lea so distance siblings apply not faith.

But thourght as academys independent they chose as picked one this time round as 2nd choice.

I met the admissions criteria but random allocation name pulle dout hat so apprx 150 applications for 30choices just assumed they inform lea of decision.

Lots of senior schools acadeys here are fair banding and random allocation.

3asAbird Tue 01-Apr-14 12:34:55

copied and pasted from my leas addmissions for schools booklet lastest one

Voluntary Aided primary
school and Academy admission authorities will
consider and rank all applications received,
including any supplementary data, with reference
to their own over-subscription criteria where
necessary. Ranked lists of potential offers will then
be returned by electronic data transfer to SG by the Voluntary Aided primary
school and Academy admission authorities,
including the reason why each applicant qualified
for a place, by 12 March 2014. The list will also
include those pupils, for whom a place cannot be
offered, in rank order, explaining the reasons for
refusal against the over-subscription criteria, and
in the order in which additional offers will be made
should places become available

which is why i read this as we apply

they then send to va schools or academy
they then informe lea
who then inform parents.

then says about co-ordinated admissonsS between diffrent las

SG will pass the details of
applications received on to other Local Authorities
as appropriate by 4 February 2014 by electronic
data transfer. Own admission authority schools
in SG named on the common
application forms will be sent details of their
applications by 13 February 2014 by electronic
data transfer. Own admission authority schools
will not be notified of the rank order of an
applicant’s preferences.

I assume own admissions schools are schools ie community run by lea so some coe and some community schools.

it does tread that schools know quite bit before parents if its 13th feb and parents dont find out until 16th april.

I read this as va schools know rank order but lea schools do not.

I also under illusion with 1st born that in case va schools the governing body look at church applications and decide based on set published criteria.

prh47bridge Tue 01-Apr-14 13:10:18

Own admission authority schools are VA schools and academies, NOT community schools. The LA is the admission authority for community schools and VC schools.

Yes the VA schools and academies know the rank order for their applicants. That doesn't mean they know who will be offered a place.

Imagine the LA receives an application from Joe listing six schools with Grange Hill Academy as the sixth preference. The LA will send the application to Grange Hill as Joe has applied for a place there. They won't tell Grange Hill that they are only sixth preference. Grange Hill put Joe's application with all the other applications and rank them in order using their admission criteria. Grange Hill has an admission number of 30. Joe is, let's say, number 24 in the list they send back to the LA so he is in line to get a place. However, Joe also gets places from his second and fourth choice schools. The LA therefore offer Joe his second choice school and his place at Grange Hill goes to whoever is number 31 on their list.

Grange Hill have no way of knowing that Joe is not going to be offered a place at Grange Hill. Equally they have no way of knowing that the person in position 31 on their list is actually going to be offered a place. So, although Grange Hill know the rank order of candidates when they return the list to the LA, they do not know who will actually be offered a place.

nlondondad Tue 01-Apr-14 19:52:29

And the end of this process is is that if you are initially eligible for an offer for more than one school, you will only hear about the offer from the school you had placed at the highest preference. You will only get one offer.

This has two great advantages over not having a clearing house system.

1. You do not get the situation that, before the clearing house, used to happen, where one child would get three offers with other children getting none.....

2. As each child will get the highest preference for which they can be offered a place an awful lot of children will get offers for a high preference.

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