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random SATS ? level 5-6-year 6 how common?

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mam29 Tue 16-Oct-12 11:44:37

I know in year 6 they expected to reach level 4.
the results i have seen show that.
But cant see anything on level 5/6

is it uncommon? as head says only 1 child acheived level 5 everyone else level 4 and some dident even acheive that?

i hear level 5/6 discussed here a lot wondered if it really is quire rare in real world or more common on here?

LadyMaryCreepyCrawley Tue 16-Oct-12 11:58:48

It's very uncommon. The average is level 4, there's a couple at level 5 and a handful at level 3. There are sub divisions (I think there still are unless they have removed them) for each of a, b, and c. Ds's teacher assessed him as being at level 6 (this was a few years ago when the highest he could get was level 5), he's a very bright boy though and he was the only one in the school to ever be assessed at this level.

lljkk Tue 16-Oct-12 12:19:09

Someone on Mn the other day said that something like 12% of pupils got Level 6s at their school shock.

DC school is extremely bog standard average in every way (high ITV viewing area).
In 2012 the SAT results were unusually high. Almost 30% of (about 50) children received L5+ in at least one subject & three Level 6s were awarded (think it was 2 in English & one in math). I am under impression that current yr6s are not expected to do anywhere as well.

throckenholt Tue 16-Oct-12 12:46:36

In our small rural school we get some level 5s every year (year groups of 10-20) - so not that uncommon. I don't remember ever hearing about a level 6 - maybe they only put them in for level 4/5 (is that an option). We also get some who don't make level 4 - and usually there is a good reason for it that had long been identified.

titchy Tue 16-Oct-12 13:03:07

Not uncommon at all. Around 25-30% nationally achieve Level 5 at KS2, with a slightly smaller proportion being Level 3 or below.

I'd be concerned about a head that only has 1 child achieing Level 5, and a large number bieng below L4 tbh, unless the class has a very high number of children with learning difficulties.

lljkk Tue 16-Oct-12 13:14:42

What about level 6s, Titchy? What % nationally get at least one of them?

titchy Tue 16-Oct-12 13:26:22

Level 6s at KS2 were introduced for the first time this year so results won't be out until the spring.

titchy Tue 16-Oct-12 13:27:53

My very rough guess would be 5% nationally get L6 though.

mumtoaandj Tue 16-Oct-12 13:33:15

i think the push from the government is that level 4 soon will be not good enough, level 5 will be average and level 6 will be expected of the brightest. Last year saw more children being put in for level 6 papers and lea's asking why Childern hadn't been allocated such tests. I think it is ridiculous.

Themumsnot Tue 16-Oct-12 13:33:56

National average for achieving L5 in both English and Maths is 21% last year. Our school (ordinary two-form entry community primary) had 31%. L6 results nationally not out yet, but ours were 10% in Maths and none in English.
Your school sounds as if it is drastically underperforming unless there are very special circumstances and if I were a governor I would be taking a very close interest in the school improvement plan.

mumofthemonsters808 Tue 16-Oct-12 13:35:00

Lots of children at our school get level 5's, but I've never heard of anyone getting a 6.Are SATS in year 6 marked internally ?.

Themumsnot Tue 16-Oct-12 14:01:10

All SATs are now marked internally. You may not have heard as this was the first time for years there has been a L6 paper. Not all schools took it up and the official results are not out yet in any case.

Iamnotminterested Tue 16-Oct-12 14:43:07

Good % at my DC's school got level 5 in one or more subjects, 10% of kids got L6, ordinary state primary with very diverse catchment.

teacherwith2kids Tue 16-Oct-12 16:13:32

15% Level 6 in Maths at my DC's school - normal community state primary, Ofsted 'Good', not supposed to be 'the best in town' though quite a good catchment, and a strong year group.

Level 5 was 60% plus across all subjects, Maths Level 5 or over was 75%.

teacherwith2kids Tue 16-Oct-12 16:18:28

I would suggest, OP, that your school is underperforming UNLESS it has very low standards on intake.

Even the village primary that DS left some years ago and is now in Special measures got 20% Level 5 in writing and 50% plus Level 5 in Maths and Reading.

mam29 Tue 16-Oct-12 16:56:47

Thanks guys was trying to work out if national norm or mumsnet norm as noticed the 2 vary.

Bit of background.

looking at changing dd school.

shes in year 2 so has sats this year not published so have no idea how they do in them.

But heard few negative remarks from year 6 parents.

Looked around another school

the had said some year 6pupils working towards level 5-6.

I asumme she must mean itscurrent year 6 co-hort based on year 6 being new then.

I did managed to find the latest sats results for both schools last year.

I was bit shocked tbh as not looked at sats in last 3years since we first started lookiing locally vary quite qa bit.

Could only find english and maths

current school only 75%reach level 4mathamatics
dident sya if they scored level 3 or higher levels.

other school 18%higher with in maths.

3%down on english

dd is struggling with maths which made me think what if shes in that 25%?

i book appointment with headmaster today.
got there 8.30 to find out hes seeing other parentssad
deouty head comes out dont know her well she doesnt know me or who my dd os or reason for appointment.

she proudly boasted 1 person from year 6 working at level 5.
whjen i asked her about recent sats what she thourght of them.
she said she wasent uptodate on the figures and if i say 75\5then it must be so.

I then said your value added is lower but can see how that would be.
she then said maybe your dd is struggling as she came into school on low level and it may not be schools fault.

Thats its ok if my dd ends year 2 with a 2c its not the end of the world.
To which i disgreed and said it is if shes playing catch up every year,

recent ofsted as downgraded satisfactory summer term and they orking to turn school ariund but will take time.
At time few year 5parents and year 6 were miffed as they felt it was too late for their kids.

when i told her that she said well you will only hear negative things in the playground.

I would have discussed further but she was on playground duty. she wished me luck and said if I wanted to move then maybe thats best.

She said she pass on my concerens to the head.

dd veiwing other school next week so hoping she likes it.

its not just the academics im not an overly pushy mum just hate her being behind.There are other reasons im bit unhappy

current school year 6=45
new school 20per year-village primary
both have mixed year 5/6classes but new school teaches core subjects like scinence andnumerca seperate and seems quite switched on when comes to sats.

no high levels of special needs, leafy affluent area for current school.

for record Im not sure I agree with sats but we live in England so thats the system we have.

lljkk -you made me chuckle been a rubbish day-never watch itv myself.

I guess there may be sublevels as year 1 nc levels were on report.

cumbrialass Tue 16-Oct-12 17:24:17

IIRC we were told that nationally 15% achieved a level 6 in maths and 0.2% in English, whether this was reading, writing or both I'm not sure!

Feenie Tue 16-Oct-12 17:38:39

All SATs are now marked internally.

I'm sorry, but that's totally incorrect. Maths at all levels remains externally marked, as does Reading at all levels. Writing is internally marked unless a) the school request an external marking request or b) the school is in the sample which has to be externally marked to check standards. Next year there will also be an externally marked grammar, handwriting and spelling test too.

mrz Tue 16-Oct-12 17:49:07

cumbrialass Tue 16-Oct-12 17:53:34

Thanks for that mrz!

cumbrialass Tue 16-Oct-12 17:57:13

It looks closer to 5% THAN 15% from those tables. My authority set a target of 10% for maths and english, we achieved more in maths but none in English, it looks like we weren't alone!

Clary Wed 17-Oct-12 00:44:17

DD did SATS last year. No-one in the school (mc leafy suburb) passed L6 English, about 8 kids out of yr of 60 did it; more did maths and I think about 3 passed at L6 (so you do the math LOL).


Not a lot IMO.

Runoutofideas Wed 17-Oct-12 08:18:36

In dd1's state junior school they normally get about 30% level 5s in English and Maths. This is a high achieving school with an aspirational catchment so not representative of an "average" school I wouldn't think. Don't know about level 6 - haven't heard it mentioned.

rrbrigi Wed 17-Oct-12 09:53:50


she then said maybe your dd is struggling as she came into school on low level and it may not be schools fault

What does she mean? I thought children do not need to read and write and do math before Reception? Some children do not even go to nursery before Reception? Low level? What does she mean? She should not be on any level before Reception, I think.

My son is in Reception now in a school where they achieve 38% Level 5 at the end of Year6. A couple of weeks ago I found out that there are a couple of more school near to us (20 mile round) where school archive higher percentage for Level 5. One of them archived 75% Level 5 (I think because it is a tiny village school). I know lots of people saying SATs does not mean anything not in Year 2 and not in Year 6. But it is not true. We have a very good private secondary school close to us and I would like my son to go there and they require at least Level 5 SATs at the end of Year6 from everything. I think even in public secondary they group children by their SATs result. So I think SATs do matter. And I think the Year2 SATs are important as well, because teachers think that average children will progress 2 levels until the next SATs tests.

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