NC level at end of KS1 (Y2) typically the same as Y3 end of term 1 & 2?

[Cortina]

Would you expect a child to be the same NC level at the end of term 1, Y3 as they were at the end of KS1?

Is the expected NC level for the end of term 1, Y3 the same as the end of KS1 (Y2)?

Do your school give NC levels and targets in Y3?

Thanks

[smee]

Ours give us levels every term at a parents' evening. DS is still at the same level for Reading and Writing, but has moved up one notch for Maths. I don't think it's a problem for them not to shift up in one term though.

[IndigoBell]

You would absolutely expect the same NC at the end of T1 Y3, as at end of T3 Y2.

Good progress is to go up 2 sublevels a year - ie one a half year, so they're not expected to go up one sublevel a term.

Some schools do give targets and NC in Y3, some don't. If they don't they normally say 'average' or above or below average, which tells you exactly what NC they're on.

Their target for Y3 will be 2 sublevels on top of what they got at end of Y2.

[Cortina]

Thanks. So that means the expected NC level for term 1 & term 2 in Y3 will be 2B?

[IndigoBell]

For the cohort? Yes.

For your child? Not necessarily.

Every child has their own targets.

[Cortina]

Many thanks. Yes just wondering what the 'expected level' they had in mind was when they tell you your child is working at, above or below the expected level?

[IndigoBell]

Some schools target 2a for the end of the year and some target 3c.

Also some expect kids to come in at 2b and some expect them to come in at 2c.

So when they say 'expected level' those are the levels they mean.

[Cortina]

Thanks again. I thought there was a universal NC Govt set standard of 2B as an expected level for end of Y2? Our school compares children to the NC benchmark.

For example if you ended Y2 at a 2a in reading you were working one sub level ahead of the NC expected level so would be 'above average'. If you were still level 2a in reading at the end of term 1 in Y2 you would still be working at a sub level above the NC expected level so still marked as 'above average'?

Individual children would have individual targets but they are not marked against those when it comes to reports (in our school). It's assumed the most important thing is parents are told whether a child is working at, above or below expected NC level so this is clearly indicated. Sorry, confusing to set out and explain.

[smee]

Ours gave us this printout last week, so for the entire Yr3:
Expected Autumn Level : 2b/ 2a
End of year expected level: 2a /3c

Alongside you were given a grade to show where your child is now iyswim, so it's really easy to see if your child is doing okay.

[IndigoBell]

If they're 'above average' at the end of Y2, you'd expect them to still be 'above average' at the end of Y3. And if they weren't you, and the school, would know there was a problem.....

But also don't forget to judge progress for yourself. I now date and squirrel away bits of writing my kids do, so that at the end of the year I can look back and see that they have (or haven't :) ) made real progress.

I hope at your next parent teacher meeting school will be happy to tell you if your child is making good progress or not.

[Iamnotminterested]

Waves @ IndigoBell. Our school does not give out "at national average, above average... etc", just NC levels at the end of year 2. HOWEVER, they do not subdivide 3's, so how is a parent supposed to know whether their child has made 2 sub-levels by the end of year 3 if they do not know where they started from??

IS it the norm across the country that a 3 in KS1 HAS to be a 3B, or can they report 3c? Is that down to individual schools?

[QED]

I don't know exactly what DS was at the end of year 2 as it was level 3, without being broken down. His school doesn't seem to do NC levels at this stage of Y3 (unless that will be the treat for the end of term ) so I don't know where he is. I can see he is generally improving in various things though.

[QED]

x post with Iamnotinterested - I have heard that some LEAs insist on a 3B for school to report it as level 3 but some don't. I might ask in the spring term parents evening - the one earlier on this term was more of a "how are they doing generally" type one.

So 2 sublevels for DS could be 3a, 4c or 4b by the end of the year I suppose.

[redskyatnight]

I wondered about the L3 thing too - DS was L3 in maths at the end of KS1, but has just been assessed as 3c. I'm happy with this if his L3 was a 3c, but not so much if it was 3b/3a.

[Iamnotminterested]

Ditto QED. Mine got a v. high grade for reading, again only a number reported, no sub-level. But I will ask, I am probably the teacher's worst nightmare, but I am always polite, never rude and manage to wheedle information out of them somehow...cackles malevolently...

[Cortina]

I'd don't see what's wrong with asking Iamnotinterested? I think complete transparency is the way to go and leads to a good, productive home/school partnership. Surely most of us are reasonable and polite :)

[Joyn]

Hi ladies, my dcs school did confirm ds's sub level as 3b (externally moderated) @ end of yr2 & he's still the same on this terms report. However, his school only assumes 1 sub-level of progress in yr3, so they are predicting 3a for the end of the year. He was confirmed as being on target, (to go up 1/3 over the year,) but I'm not exactly delighted as I can't understand why he's not supposed to go up 2/3, (thats the school policy, not just his individual target). Anyone any ideas?

Op his schools average target therefore for end of yr3 is 2a & like I said they don't expect any movement from yr2 level, until the end of the year!

[IndigoBell]

Joyn - children need to go up 1 level over 2 years. So if he's targeted 1 sublevel this year, he'll be targeted 2 sub levels next year.

Which is another reasonable way of school's doing it.

The jump to juniors can mean kids don't make as much progress in Y3 as they do in other years. At least this way the teacher won't get beat up over it and will be slightly less stressed.

What he achieves is nothing to do with what he's targeted.